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SupremeCommander
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2/8/2023  10:28 PM
I like the move because we need a 'big' wing. Our perimeter players are small. I think the roster is more balanced, the Knicks are better on paper, but this doesn't move the needle much for me... I really want to see us giving up two players and getting one back. That said, acquiring Josh Hart is a net positive transaction. There is still a minutes crunch though
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2/8/2023  10:31 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I like the move because we need a 'big' wing. Our perimeter players are small. I think the roster is more balanced, the Knicks are better on paper, but this doesn't move the needle much for me... I really want to see us giving up two players and getting one back. That said, acquiring Josh Hart is a net positive transaction. There is still a minutes crunch though

He's not really a big wing tho. He's a solid competent player who will help a lot. Still wish they got more size at the forward spot. Maybe tomorrow?

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gradyandrew
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2/8/2023  10:44 PM
If Hart makes 12 million and Cam 6- how does this trade work out financially? Seems like Obi's contract needs to be in there too.
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2/8/2023  10:48 PM
gradyandrew wrote:If Hart makes 12 million and Cam 6- how does this trade work out financially? Seems like Obi's contract needs to be in there too.

he New York Knicks have agreed to acquire Josh Hart from the Portland Trail Blazers for Cam Reddish, Svi Mykhailiuk, Ryan Arcidiacono and a protected first round pick.

The pick is lottery protected by the Knicks in 2023 and converts to four future second round picks if not conveyed this year.

Hart has a $12.96 million player option next season that becomes non-guaranteed if he exercises.

Never mind. Seems like a lot of pressure to make the playoffs, 4 future second rounders.
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2/8/2023  10:59 PM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.
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2/8/2023  11:02 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

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2/8/2023  11:06 PM
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

Yup this is how they operate.
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2/8/2023  11:16 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

Yup this is how they operate.

Then that means Obi is definitely a gone, sooner rather than later. Duarte doesn't make sense now. F5 day has officially started. Please bring in a big forward defender.

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2/8/2023  11:33 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

Yup this is how they operate.

Then that means Obi is definitely a gone, sooner rather than later. Duarte doesn't make sense now. F5 day has officially started. Please bring in a big forward defender.

Though Obi is also linked to Rose, no?

Whatever you think about Cam...we gave up a #1 to acquire him (& get rid of Knox), and gave up another #1 to get rid of him. Meanwhile he had no impact on the team.

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2/8/2023  11:40 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

Yup this is how they operate.

Then that means Obi is definitely a gone, sooner rather than later. Duarte doesn't make sense now. F5 day has officially started. Please bring in a big forward defender.

Though Obi is also linked to Rose, no?

Whatever you think about Cam...we gave up a #1 to acquire him (& get rid of Knox), and gave up another #1 to get rid of him. Meanwhile he had no impact on the team.

The first rounder the Knicks gave up for Cam was a fake first tho. Still, you're right. The FO and coaching staff seemed disjointed with that move. Hopefully Thibs is cool with JHart. If the Knicks mishandle this, Hart can simply walk away and we're left with nothing

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2/9/2023  12:09 AM
CleaverGreene wrote:

Though Obi is also linked to Rose, no?

Whatever you think about Cam...we gave up a #1 to acquire him (& get rid of Knox), and gave up another #1 to get rid of him. Meanwhile he had no impact on the team.

You sure bout that?

The protected first-rounder is the one that the Knicks acquired from Charlotte in exchange for the pick that became Kai Jones. It is protected top 18 in 2022, top 16 in 2023 and top 14 in 2024 and 2025. After that, the pick will convey as two second-rounders (2026, 2027).

Knicks were under no pressure to "get rid of" Cam's expiring contract, so it's more about trading 3 guys on expirings plus a lottery protected pick to get a player they see as a long term piece. The Brunson Hart connection is more important than the Reddish Barrett one.

All this goes out the window if the Knicks don't keep Hart though.
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2/9/2023  12:13 AM
Before the trade, FiveThirtyEight's model gave New York a 68% chance of reaching the playoffs and sending away the pick, while ESPN's Basketball Power Index had the Knicks in the playoffs 84% of the time. After incorporating the trade, BPI simulations boosted New York's playoff odds to 94%.
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2/9/2023  6:31 AM
Knicks need a tall and young shooter like Watanabe. Can the Knicks deal a second for a test drive with him.
Knicks likely moving in a direction where if RJ don't start improving he will be gone. Toronto solidified it's biggest weakness with Poetl. Atlantic conference with the loss of Durant has gotten even more even talented wise. I'd expect Boston to make a sneaky little move to pick up a piece or two on the cheap
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2/9/2023  7:41 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
Before the trade, FiveThirtyEight's model gave New York a 68% chance of reaching the playoffs and sending away the pick, while ESPN's Basketball Power Index had the Knicks in the playoffs 84% of the time. After incorporating the trade, BPI simulations boosted New York's playoff odds to 94%.


With the Nets aelling off hard, the Knicks chances of finishing top 6 and avoiding the play in went up
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2/9/2023  8:56 AM
CleaverGreene wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wonder if they plan to re-sign him.

Have to think this otherwise why we use a pick to get him?
He can opt in for 12 mil.

Posted in the trade thread that both Randle/Hart share same current agent and Rose was their prior agent — you could make assumption that Hart is a Leon Rose guy and extension likely.

Yep

Yup this is how they operate.

Then that means Obi is definitely a gone, sooner rather than later. Duarte doesn't make sense now. F5 day has officially started. Please bring in a big forward defender.

Though Obi is also linked to Rose, no?

Whatever you think about Cam...we gave up a #1 to acquire him (& get rid of Knox), and gave up another #1 to get rid of him. Meanwhile he had no impact on the team.

The CLT pick won’t convey. It was an opportunity for knicks and Reddish. Somethings don’t work out.
SupremeCommander
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2/9/2023  9:47 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I like the move because we need a 'big' wing. Our perimeter players are small. I think the roster is more balanced, the Knicks are better on paper, but this doesn't move the needle much for me... I really want to see us giving up two players and getting one back. That said, acquiring Josh Hart is a net positive transaction. There is still a minutes crunch though

He's not really a big wing tho. He's a solid competent player who will help a lot. Still wish they got more size at the forward spot. Maybe tomorrow?

True, but I guess I mean more stylistically... the guy isn't afraid to be on the low blocks. I think he 'plays bigger than he is'

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2/18/2023  8:10 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
VDesai wrote:Hart is kind of a strange player- 6'4", but rebounding among his best attributes, and he will play D, move the ball and make some 3s. Similar idea to getting a guy like Caruso. What's the right cost? Reddish + picks?

This is one of the guys I’ve been hoping we might get.

He is tremendously unselfish (maybe to a fault) - great ball mover, cutter, will guard above his size with really good strength. I like Hart over Caruso because there is more offense with Hart imo. Also very good rebounder and tough.

The Brunson/Nove/Archie connection would be another great chemistry, locker room and toughness add.

He could start if needed at the 2 or 3. He could be SF off bench and maybe do more scoring off our bench.

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2/19/2023  7:55 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Before the trade, FiveThirtyEight's model gave New York a 68% chance of reaching the playoffs and sending away the pick, while ESPN's Basketball Power Index had the Knicks in the playoffs 84% of the time. After incorporating the trade, BPI simulations boosted New York's playoff odds to 94%.

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Alpha1971
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2/20/2023  4:28 AM
Would have loved to have gotten Kevin Love as a buyout. Not so we have can have a Hart and Love on the roster but because Live seems to kills us and we play Miami a few more times. I'm sure Miami got Love to play against us. Anyway, hopefully Mitch and Heartenstein will be able to contain him. Love always seems to kill us.
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2/20/2023  3:43 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:Would have loved to have gotten Kevin Love as a buyout. Not so we have can have a Hart and Love on the roster but because Live seems to kills us and we play Miami a few more times. I'm sure Miami got Love to play against us. Anyway, hopefully Mitch and Heartenstein will be able to contain him. Love always seems to kill us.

I agree with Love killing us. But I can't blame him for going to Miami, coming from Cleveland. Plus he probably gets more PT in Miami than NY.

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