NYStateOfMind wrote:Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

The Knicks started the season exactly the way you have suggested, faster pace and lots of shot and 3s early in the clock. They learned that their team couldn't keep up with that and adjusted to what you are seeing now: Slowing down, focus on defense, rebounding, floaters with offensive rebound frequency and a concentration of getting downhill with RJ, Randle. You go with your strengths, not something else that's kinda nebulous.

The Knicks are better for it as it better fit their personal. And the record and analytical stats have shown that they have made huge improvements in both offense and defense because of this style change.

Not for nothing but it seems to be your stubbornness that seems to be, well, stuck. Knicks got significantly better with their focus starting in early Dec but you want to run something that didn't work with the personnel that that they have?

For me, this is a baseline year for the Knicks. They FINALLY have a foundation and something to build off of as a roster, team and, organization. 2020-21 was like candy or dessert, tastes real good but not good for you and quite frankly lead to a year of diversion.

Knicks finally have an identity that matches roster and coach and style that works for them. It will have to improve in a ton of areas but it is a baseline you can work from and add to.

VDesai wrote:Instead of lovers or haters, we now either have people have an NY "State of Mind" or an NY "Mentality"

martin wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

The Knicks started the season exactly the way you have suggested, faster pace and lots of shot and 3s early in the clock. They learned that their team couldn't keep up with that and adjusted to what you are seeing now: Slowing down, focus on defense, rebounding, floaters with offensive rebound frequency and a concentration of getting downhill with RJ, Randle. You go with your strengths, not something else that's kinda nebulous.

The Knicks are better for it as it better fit their personal. And the record and analytical stats have shown that they have made huge improvements in both offense and defense because of this style change.

Not for nothing but it seems to be your stubbornness that seems to be, well, stuck. Knicks got significantly better with their focus starting in early Dec but you want to run something that didn't work with the personnel that that they have?

For me, this is a baseline year for the Knicks. They FINALLY have a foundation and something to build off of as a roster, team and, organization. 2020-21 was like candy or dessert, tastes real good but not good for you and quite frankly lead to a year of diversion.

Knicks finally have an identity that matches roster and coach and style that works for them. It will have to improve in a ton of areas but it is a baseline you can work from and add to.

I do like Thibs but I just hate his offense. I wish the NBA was more like the NFL with an offensive coordinator. We need more movement without the ball, better passing, good picks. The end of a quarter, half, game, with giving the ball to Randle and letting him go one on one is SO BAD. There is just no imagination from an offensive standpoint.

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

The Knicks started the season exactly the way you have suggested, faster pace and lots of shot and 3s early in the clock. They learned that their team couldn't keep up with that and adjusted to what you are seeing now: Slowing down, focus on defense, rebounding, floaters with offensive rebound frequency and a concentration of getting downhill with RJ, Randle. You go with your strengths, not something else that's kinda nebulous.

The Knicks are better for it as it better fit their personal. And the record and analytical stats have shown that they have made huge improvements in both offense and defense because of this style change.

Not for nothing but it seems to be your stubbornness that seems to be, well, stuck. Knicks got significantly better with their focus starting in early Dec but you want to run something that didn't work with the personnel that that they have?

For me, this is a baseline year for the Knicks. They FINALLY have a foundation and something to build off of as a roster, team and, organization. 2020-21 was like candy or dessert, tastes real good but not good for you and quite frankly lead to a year of diversion.

Knicks finally have an identity that matches roster and coach and style that works for them. It will have to improve in a ton of areas but it is a baseline you can work from and add to.

I do like Thibs but I just hate his offense. I wish the NBA was more like the NFL with an offensive coordinator. We need more movement without the ball, better passing, good picks. The end of a quarter, half, game, with giving the ball to Randle and letting him go one on one is SO BAD. There is just no imagination from an offensive standpoint.

You are right.

I keep thinking about the starting lineup: Mitch, Randle, RJ, Grimes, Brunson. Mitch barely knows what to do on offense (my guess is the organization has taken a slow path with him and made him concentrate on D), RJ still doesn't even know how to pass or even realizes he needs to pass or dribble into a double team. Randle is finally getting his head straight and making quick decisions.

Can you imagine any of these guys fitting into the GS offense or a movement offense? Just 1 of those 3, fitting in with 4 of their starters in more of a movement offense? I don't. You need 5 coordinated guys to run more of that. Knicks second unit kinda sorta does it well in spurts.

For me, Knicks starting lineup is a low offensive IQ team, and when you have that, you stick to simple.

Great, definitive points as to who and where the Knicks are as far as I'm concerned. Limitations galore, but progress and hope are evident even on the stat pages, not just in our hearts or deluded minds. And there is an identity, really a classic Knicks identity built firstly on defense and intensity. A tough sell in today's NBA to players and fans. When the Knicks have lost that focus they've sucked, when they embrace it they win -- if ugly. The players on the team who play are the guys who play that way. Pretty boy 3 point aces or phone it in guys (Cam?) aren't going to cut it on this team, not now anyway. A lot of fans and media have chosen to focus primarily on their limitations without acknowledging their strengths it appears to me.