BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

He's a long multi skilled multi dimensional big wing, can guard many spots, and shoot, drive, make a good pass....

Except he sucks. He shows flashes but in the end he sucks. All his numbers are not good. All his analytics are not good. This is the exact same thing that happened in Atl.. he got time, looked good for stretches and then wondered why he wasnt playing 30+ minus and getting 15+ shots a game when he wasnt playing well, or playing flat out BAD

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

Terrible Asset Management

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

Terrible Asset Management

blkexec wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

How do you know this? Are you basing it on Media Click Bait and Internet Rumor mills? How about wait 'till a trade actually happens before creating a hypothesis that is an indictment of the Knicks Coaching Staff? In terms of coaching.....this is the NBA not some rec league. Guys are getting paid to perform and help the team win by taking ownership and accountability for their own development and progression. Cam has pretty much failed that process with 2 franchises. Maybe the problem is not with the coaching staff but with Cam? Maybe he is not receptive to coaching and thinks he has it all figured out already. We all know people like that. History is littered with athletes who have amazing natural talent but never "make it". Mostly because its what's in (or not in) their head. Cam may ultimately end up having a nice NBA career - but its possible he just hasn't figured it out (in his head) yet.

This is an example of someone leaving college early. This is the risk of a player is not mature enough or hasn’t fully developed yet. They need a certain environment or culture to squeeze out his potential. And environment that doesn’t remove players for his mistakes. He’s still young but owe well. Thibs don’t want him so what’s the point. Hope thibs made the right decision.

I guess Nate McMillan also did not make the right decision as well? Again - this is the NBA - not some child care facility. If a guy wants to leave college early to chase his dream - its up to him to make that dream a reality. Thibs does not remove some other players for their mistakes...even first and second year players.....why is that? Maybe is has something to do with the way they work, listen, learn and put forth effort. Maybe that all has to do with what you guys are referring to as favoritism.

foosballnick wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

Terrible Asset Management

Please explain how? The team gave up assets they felt were not important to take a chance on a player with high upside potential. It has not worked out so far and it appears they are trying to move on and recoup something for that player. Terrible asset management would be if that given the situation, the Knicks decide to retain Cam by awarding him a multi-year deal. To me the measure of success is recognizing and taking corrective actions for your failures and then making future progress through adjustments from key learnings. Fans seem to expect perfection, but that is just not the way life works.

well said

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailbag-update-reddish-status-quickley-role

If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.

Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.

I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.

This is literally the crux of it.

Cam wants to be a focal point of an offense. I keep reading that Cam thinks he is Paul George type and wants that particular type of role. I took that to mean he wanted as many touches as say Brunson/Randle on the team and to be featured the way RJ has been featured for the Knicks since he got here. That was also the same feel while he was in Atlanta. It's why he wanted out of Atlanta. You won't get a direct quote on that from either player or team but that was widely understood.

Every coach and NBA person will tell you that players - and especially young players who are not at the quality of Zion, Morant, LeBron (you get the level) - have to find a role on their team and start from there. Excel at it and then grow. It's especially so with Thibs. It's just how he operates for better or worse.

Thibs wants Cam to play a particular role on team and Cam seems like he wanted more. My assumption is when this occurred, he and Knicks agreed to find him a home.

Cam probably freaked the F out when Grimes was slotted for the starting position. Understandable IMHO but thems also the breaks.

It’s possible I overvalue size and wingspan. But RJ is not the 3&D I want in the SF slot. Reddish, at least size wise, is. I tend to think that all these young players are tremendously talented and that opportunity just as important as innate skill. I keep arguing on this board, among other fans, to see that guys that fit my idea of size and shape get that opportunity. Cam has moments where I think I’m watching Durant. He has other moments where I think it’s some clumsy kid whose legs grew too fast. But Barrett is getting every opportunity and Reddish is not. Because Barrett has the better pedigree and has had the benefit of better coaching, a royal godfather, and came into the league with better fundamentals. Meanwhile, Reddish has the better build for SF and has some natural talent that looks like it could be unlocked with a little coaching and some growing pains.

For me, if we were winning 60 games and sitting him locked up the #1 seed, I’d be more understanding. We are 27-25 while running our starters into the ground.

I just think pretty highly of Reddish and don’t really think he is getting a fair shake here.