martin wrote:Feels like there are 3 groups in the East and the Knicks could possibly be in position to get to that 5th seed if things hold.

BOS (1) 	41	16
MIL (2) 	39	17
PHI (3) 	37	19
CLE (4) 	38	22
BRK (5) 	33	24
MIA (6) 	32	26
NYK (7) 	32	27
ATL (8) 	29	29
TOR (9) 	27	31
WAS (10) 	26	30
CHI (11) 	26	31
IND (12) 	25	34
ORL (13)	24	34

That is true but don't sleep on the Knicks making a run @ the 3rd/4th seed 76ers/Cavaliers either.

Both teams have extremely difficult schedules moving forward.

Philadelphia's final 26 games (3rd seed).
Vs. Cavaliers.
Vs. Grizzlies.
Vs. Celtics.
Vs. Heat.
@ Miami.
@ Dallas.
@ Milwaukee.
@ Indiana.
@ Minnesota.
Vs. Trailblazers.
Vs. Wizards.
@ Cleveland.
@ Charlotte.
@ Indiana.
Vs. Bulls.
@ Chicago.
@ Golden State.
@ Phoenix
@ Denver.
Vs. Mavericks.
Vs. Raptors
@ Milwaukee.
Vs. Celtics.
Vs. Heat.
@ Atlanta.
@ Brooklyn.

(18 games against above .500 winning teams).

Vs.

Cleveland's final 22 Games (4th seed):
@ Philadelphia.
Vs. Nuggets.
@ Atlanta.
Vs. Raptors.
@ Boston.
Vs. Pistons.
Vs. Celtics.
@ Miami.
@ Miami.
@ Charlotte.
@ Charlotte.
Vs. 76ers.
Vs. Wizards.
@ Brooklyn.
@ Brooklyn.
Vs. Rockets.
@ Atlanta.
Vs. Knicks.
Vs. Pacers.
@ Orlando.
@ Orlando.
Vs. Hornets.

(12 games against above .500 winning teams)

The more I think about it? The more I realize (as long as NY continues it's winning ways) it might actually become the 76ers who we pass in the standings due to their insane schedule (coming up).

As long as NY can not only continue winning but also get red hot? It's going to become really fun for us as a fan base (while) keeping an extra eye on both Philly/Cleveland for those 3/4 seeds (moving forward).

Our Knicks did it.

They finally did it.

We're officially the Eastern Conference 6th seed

Just passed by Miami (and right before heading into All-Star weekend too).

1.) Vs. Lakers = loss (overtime).
2.) Vs. Heat = Win (by 2 points).
3.) Vs. Clippers = loss (overtime).
4.) Vs. 76ers = Win (21 point comeback).
5.) @ Orlando = Win (by 4 points).
6.) @ Philadelphia = loss (blown lead).
7.) Vs. Jazz = Win (the birth of Josh Hart).
8.) Vs. Nets = Win (18 Point Blowout).
9.) @ Atlanta = Win (21 Point Blowout).

1.) Boston Celtics = 42-17 (.712%).
2.) Milwaukee Bucks = 40-17 (.702%). -1.0.

3.) Philadelphia 76ers = 38-19 (.667%). -3.0.
4.) Cleveland Cavaliers = 38-23 (.623%). -5.0.

5.) Brooklyn Nets = 34-24 (.586%). -7.5.
6.) NEW YORK KNICKS = 33-27 (.550%). -9.5.

7.) Miami Heat = 32-27 (.542%). -10.0.
8.) Atlanta Hawks = 29-30 (.492%). -13.0.

Next Game = NYK's All-Star Weekend:
✨Quentin Grimes: Rising Stars✨
🏀Jericho Sims: Slam Dunk Contest🏀
⭐Julius Randle: ALL-STAR GAME⭐

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:Feels like there are 3 groups in the East and the Knicks could possibly be in position to get to that 5th seed if things hold.

BOS (1) 	41	16
MIL (2) 	39	17
PHI (3) 	37	19
CLE (4) 	38	22
BRK (5) 	33	24
MIA (6) 	32	26
NYK (7) 	32	27
ATL (8) 	29	29
TOR (9) 	27	31
WAS (10) 	26	30
CHI (11) 	26	31
IND (12) 	25	34
ORL (13)	24	34

No love for Detroit or Charlotte?

Our Knicks have more wins (33) than both of Detroit/Charlotte combined (32).

ramtour420 wrote:Next goal is the 5th seed. Nets are not going to hold it.

My goal when creating this thread 9 games ago (6-3) was the 3rd/4th seeds. I just had this crazy feeling despite a grueling schedule that we were on the verge of getting red hot.

And I'm still frustrated by those 2 overtime loses vs. LAL/LAC along with our blown lead against Brooklyn and only because we could've (literally) gone 9-0 and no worse than 8-1; that's how good we're playing right now.

We've actually got the 9th best NBA Record and only 2.0 games back of Brooklyn from having the 7th best Record (within the entire league.

I've still got my eyes set on both Philly/Cleveland for the 3rd/4th seeds.

ramtour420 wrote:Next goal is the 5th seed. Nets are not going to hold it.

I'm with you on that.

One seed @ a time and if we're able to hawk down Brooklyn ASAP; we'll then have enough time to shift our focus towards Cleveland for their 4th seed.

1st 5 Games (Seeds 5-6)

Nets @ 34-24 (5th):
@ Chicago
@ Atlanta
vs Bucks
@ New York
@ Boston

New York @ 33-27 (6th):
@ Washington
vs Pelicans
vs Celtics
vs Nets
@ Miami

If we can start off our final 22 games @ 4-1?

We'll have a great chance of passing Brooklyn for that very important 5 seed (setting up a pots 4 vs. 5 matchup).

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksMuse/status/1628430261451988993

1.) @ Washington (28-30)

2.) vs. Pelicans (30-29)
3.) vs. Celtics (42-17)
4.) vs. Nets (34-24)
5.) @ Miami (32-27)
6.) @ Boston (42-17)
7.) vs Hornets (17-43)
8.) @ Sacramento (32-25)
9.) @ Los Angeles Clippers (33-28)
10.) @ Los Angeles Lakers (27-32)
11.) @ Portland (28-30)

"Can these kids of New York head into the 2023 Playoffs with an overall Top-5 NBA Record"?

Instead of being only focused on the Eastern Conferences Top 8 seedings (first 60 games)?

Moving forward?

I'll only focus on the NBA's Top-10 best overall Records (final 22 games).

🎯Top-5🎯
1.) Boston Celtics: 42-17 (.712%)
2.) Milwaukee Bucks: 41-17 (.707%) -0.5
3.) Denver Nuggets: 41-18 (.695%) -1.0

4.) Philadelphia 76ers: 38-19 (.667%) -3.0
5.) Cleveland Cavaliers: 38-23 (.623%) -5.0
6.) Memphis Grizzlies: 35-22 (.614%) -6.0

7.) Brooklyn Nets: 34-24 (.586%) -7.5
8.) Sacramento Kings: 32-25 (.561%) 9.0
9.) NEW YORK KNICKS: 33-27 (.550%) -9.5

10.) Miami Heat: 32-27 (.542%) -10.0

Tonight's Games:
Celtics (1) @ Indiana.
Nuggets (3) @ Cleveland (5).
Philadelphia (4) vs. Grizzlies (6).
Sacramento (8) vs. Trailblazers.

NYKMentality wrote:Eastern Conference 3 Seed (still alive).

Philadelphia 76ers (starting tonight) will start to fall (within the Standings).

•76ers
28th easiest SOS
(1st 57 games)

•76ers
#1 most difficult SOS
(Final 25 games)

(76ers next 6 Games)
vs MEM (7:30)
vs BOS
vs MIA
@ MIA
@ DAL
@ MIL

NY's only 6.5 back of Philadelphia and I wonder how small the difference would be (record wise) if the roles were reversed and NY had the 28th easiest SOS while Philly had the 11th most difficult SOS (1st half). I bet the gap would've been less than 2-3 games.

C'mon...

It's one thing to imagine the Knicks going 17-5 and the Sixers going 11-14.

It's another to imagine the Cavs going 11-10 too.

I don't think you realize the scale of the probability you're playing with here.

It's not quite 60 wins, but it's not that far off.

NYKMentality wrote:We'll see how it goes man.

Might not have enough time to catch Philadelphia due to -6.5 games back but with Cleveland?

We're only 4.5 back of Cleveland for the 4th seed.

We've got 1 game against them.

Hypothetically speaking we're -3.5 back of Cleveland (including the W over them).

From there on out?

Cleveland loses 2 in a row?
Knicks win 2 in a row?

And we're literally 1.0 back with potentially 10+ games remaining aka potential dog fight.

You're looking at it from a micro view, macro view is always better.

Like I say, Cleveland is a .628 team over 3/4's of a season. Even if they went 11-10, that means 17-5 for the Knicks, regardless of the common game. Give to the Knicks and we're still talking 11-9 and 16-5.

Those are looong odds. Verrrrrry long on the Knicks side and pretty long on the Cavs side.

I'm not telling anything other than the odds here.

NYKMentality wrote:I'll be rooting for both Boston and Milwaukee moving forward (during a lot of games).

Because these two teams (outside of the times we play Boston 2x) can end up helping the Knicks playoff seedings (a lot).

Milwaukee:
Nets.
76ers
Nets.
76ers.

Boston:
76ers.
Cavs.
Nets.
Cavs.
76ers.

Philly has to play both Milwaukee/Boston 4x.

Brooklyn has to play both Milwaukee/Boston 3x.

Cleveland has to play Boston 2x.

To make it even more intriguing...

76ers/Cavs/Nets all play each other multiple times.

(it's about to get crazy in the East).

I promise you (especially if the Knicks stay winning and get real hot).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html

Entering this evening, the Knicks have .2 chance to finish 3rd (same chance as finishing 11), a 2.1 chance to finish 4th and a 20.1 chance to finish 5.

Their odds are greater to finish 7 or 8 than 3, 4 or 5.

And this is based on simulations, where every team's schedule is taken into account (10k times) and conference knock-offs are baked in.

Just math, not bias.

NYKMentality wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:I'll be rooting for both Boston and Milwaukee moving forward (during a lot of games).

Because these two teams (outside of the times we play Boston 2x) can end up helping the Knicks playoff seedings (a lot).

Milwaukee:
Nets.
76ers
Nets.
76ers.

Boston:
76ers.
Cavs.
Nets.
Cavs.
76ers.

Philly has to play both Milwaukee/Boston 4x.

Brooklyn has to play both Milwaukee/Boston 3x.

Cleveland has to play Boston 2x.

To make it even more intriguing...

76ers/Cavs/Nets all play each other multiple times.

(it's about to get crazy in the East).

I promise you (especially if the Knicks stay winning and get real hot).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html

Entering this evening, the Knicks have .2 chance to finish 3rd (same chance as finishing 11), a 2.1 chance to finish 4th and a 20.1 chance to finish 5.

Their odds are greater to finish 7 or 8 than 3, 4 or 5.

And this is based on simulations, where every team's schedule is taken into account (10k times) and conference knock-offs are baked in.

Just math, not bias.

Well I'm sure those same simulators probably had the Knicks @ 35 wins max (shows how much they know).

But more importantly I bet that simulator also had 76ers winning vs. Memphis @ home in Philly tonight too. Because I know Vegas did. Because Vegas had Philadelphia as nice size favorites by -3.5 Points tonight.

But now look.

Philadelphia is getting destroyed by 16 (48-34) and only 2nd Q (might lose by 25-30+).

If you think the simulations had the sixers beating memphis all 10k times, you don't understand what simulations are. I'm sure at least 40% of the 10k simulations had the Grizzlies winning.

Again, your reflexively seem to you think there is human bias in the model. There is not.

Right now it's based on 60 games played. It's based on what NBA teams have done for 3/4s of the season, not what anyone thinks.