NYKMentality wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Lauri Marrakennan has got to be the runaway winner for most improved player, right? This might be a new trend in the NBA but I think only Randle has ever had a bigger swing in his career. Before that I have to go back to Houston Kyle Lowry vs. Toronto Kyle Lowry. Sucks for the Cavs and Bulls but some players are late bloomers and need a new coach and when it happens together you get an out of nowhere All Star. If the Cavs consider the player Lauri was vs. is the trade looks a lot better.

Injuries aside, I think the Cavs benefitted last season from teams not taking them seriously in the beginning of the season. Their wins decreased remarkably in the last 3Rd of the season. I don't see that as a problem this season.

Good post but let's be honest here.

If Lauri Marrakennan were Julius Randle and/or an NY Knicks player?

This fan base would label and consider him as nothing more than a "stat compiler" who's playing "hero ball" and not efficient.

Due to his Utah Jazz not having an above .500 record (only 25-25) and also only seeded @ 8th in the West and only .5 (1/2) half a game away from OKC (from falling to the 11th seed).

His team is literally only a 1/2 game away from falling to the 11th seed and only ahead of trash teams like Houston (11-36), Spurs (14-33), Lakers (22-26) and Portland (22-25).

An improved player? Yes.

An All-Star Player? The way NY fans judge players?!? Hell no!

LOL, I hear you brother. For some, it's never good enough.

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:Thanks for posting this Martin. Shows fans basically suck. Half a season and regret already.
Expectations are incredible for fans. Its like if they can't see it, it can't happen. Mobley is still a kid.
DM is their Mooby. They eat this **** up and can't handle a multi year process.

Can someone remind me WTF is a Mooby?

In the movie “Dogma” , Mooby is a fast food place with the golden calf as its mascot.
When the Jewish people were freed of slavery and escaped to Egypt they became disillusioned with god. Melted all their gold to create a “golden calf” to pray to. They lost their way and dived into self gratification. God got pissed and condemned them to 40 years in the desert until those offended aged out.
Knicks have not won a title in 50 years. We cling to false gods from time to time thinking a star will solve our issues. Melo became our false god. Not that the issue was melo, it was the fans reaction to “coming home” and not seeing the team around him was needing. We blamed Melo for many of the teams issues. Isiah hath given us Marbury. Bob McAdoo was bought in at one time in his prime to do this. “Starphuching with a Mooby”.
Fans tend to assign their stars to task that is sometimes not attainable but the franchise sells the star and creates the expectation.

Maybe some Cav’s fans thought DM could carry them until Mobley lived up to his potential. Half a season and while that was an eloquent well written comment questioning his teams upside, it was an eloquent whiney bitch comment by a fan who demonstrates little forethought to his teams upside going forward. Yes, you make a big trade and give up pieces which strains the talent pool. Key is they have good pieces in place that need time to come together and build the bench. With Melo we counted on AMare for too much, and if you recall JR smith was relied on way too much. He was playing in china (strike season) and a free agent mostly due to his boneheaded antics.

Reposting the Cav’s dude demonstrates fandom impatience is a universal trait.

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:Thanks for posting this Martin. Shows fans basically suck. Half a season and regret already.
Expectations are incredible for fans. Its like if they can't see it, it can't happen. Mobley is still a kid.
DM is their Mooby. They eat this **** up and can't handle a multi year process.

Can someone remind me WTF is a Mooby?

In the movie “Dogma” , Mooby is a fast food place with the golden calf as its mascot.
When the Jewish people were freed of slavery and escaped to Egypt they became disillusioned with god. Melted all their gold to create a “golden calf” to pray to. They lost their way and dived into self gratification. God got pissed and condemned them to 40 years in the desert until those offended aged out.
Knicks have not won a title in 50 years. We cling to false gods from time to time thinking a star will solve our issues. Melo became our false god. Not that the issue was melo, it was the fans reaction to “coming home” and not seeing the team around him was needing. We blamed Melo for many of the teams issues. Isiah hath given us Marbury. Bob McAdoo was bought in at one time in his prime to do this. “Starphuching with a Mooby”.
Fans tend to assign their stars to task that is sometimes not attainable but the franchise sells the star and creates the expectation.

Maybe some Cav’s fans thought DM could carry them until Mobley lived up to his potential. Half a season and while that was an eloquent well written comment questioning his teams upside, it was an eloquent whiney bitch comment by a fan who demonstrates little forethought to his teams upside going forward. Yes, you make a big trade and give up pieces which strains the talent pool. Key is they have good pieces in place that need time to come together and build the bench. With Melo we counted on AMare for too much, and if you recall JR smith was relied on way too much. He was playing in china (strike season) and a free agent mostly due to his boneheaded antics.

Reposting the Cav’s dude demonstrates fandom impatience is a universal trait.

Nalod, if the season ended today and the Cavs went into the playoffs against a full strength Nets team…..what do you think their chances are to get into the second round? The Cavs look like a second tier team with no draft capitol in the near future. He didn’t even get into Mitchell’s contract which allows him to opt out after 2 more seasons. They just might be kind of fooked. Time will tell, I thought that was the fans point….they are in that place between heaven and hell. They just won a championship not long ago and these moves are designed to take that big swing to get back there.

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:The issue the Cavs have is Mobley has stagnated/stepped back in year 2. But that's a function of the type of roster they built. What they needed to do is give him more free reign to be the man in year 2, but instead he's in a situation where he gets the ball less. You have a great pure point guard and a developing potential front court superstar, and then you add a ball dominant combo guard. Sure that's a great player, but at this point its not gonna be easy to unlock Mobley. They have a roster that is less than the sum of its parts.

I still think they can win, but they need to add more floor balance around the team, more shooters. BTW, people are still bellyaching about drafting Toppin, but Cavs passed on Toppin for Isaac Okoro. Okoro is a total nothing player.

I'd guess that's where the patience comes in. Integrating a player like DM is not easy, and when you add in the dev path for a second year guy like Mobley while trying to figure out who your starting SF player is, you probably really need until later NEXT year to really evaluate them all together.

They also just got their intended backup PG back in Rubio.

For me, I wouldn't call the Mobley issue a stagnation or step back (although I don't watch their games closely enough to really know what is going on there), more growth with needed patience.