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martin
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12/29/2022  5:44 PM
Caseloads wrote:Grimes - he's not as big as houston, not as good on offense (although he had some great drives in the lane vs the mavs and did great work down low) - I don't see the great defender that everyone claims he is, but he is young and seemingly hungry

Grimes is already considered as one of the better wing, guard defenders in the league, by his peers.

I think Grimes offense is better than Allen’s already. His overall shooting is very good, and combine that with dribble penetration, he’ll be MUCH better in about a year.

Different generations though, both good and I think Grimes will have more all star appearances.

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12/29/2022  11:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2022  11:58 PM
Nice player but let’s manage expectations
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12/30/2022  12:14 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
MS wrote:We have a better Allan Houston with a handle, passing and defense. Period.

Kid is a star no questions asked. One of the best releases in the league. We struck gold.

He’s special.

He's good, but his jumper is no Allan Houston jumper. I see more of a 2 guard version of Shawn Marion as his ceiling. His absolute floor is probably Raja Bell/Marcus Smart/Aaron Mckie

Wth? Marion had one of the worst mechanics. Did you think we were talking about Obi?
Grimes is H20.2. Give him 15 FGAs a game and he will average over 20.
You don't believe me, ask Allan.

Obi reminds me nothing of Marion. But if you don't remember Marion's skill set,and see how it compares to Grimes, I don't know what to tell you.

His skill set is nothing like Allan Houston.

Since you don't remember: Grimes form is identical.


Houston's elbows are wider. If you want to say they were both light skinned, students of the game who kinda look alike if you squint, fine.

I compare skill sets.

Houston was a wet jump shooter, with a high IQ, a pure scorer whose game was dependent on his jumper with not much other stats to write home about and a maybe adequate defender at very very best best who needed the ball in his hands to score (unless he was used a a spot up shooter)

Grimes offense is more diverse. His jumper is not as text book as Allan's. But he is a much better slasher and finishes better. Grimes started as a PG so his overall view of the game is better, along with the skill set that comes with that position. Grimes is already light years ahead of Allan defensively (although he is currently making some pretty stupid mistakes). He also doesn't need plays run for him to score. Can defend multiple positions.

He is nothing like Houston (and I remember Allan. He was my second favorite Knick and what the 20 in my name represents).

I said he was a guard version of Shawn Marion. and I stand by it (I don't care what his shooting form looks like). I named Raja Bell and Aaron McKie too.

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12/30/2022  12:57 AM
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
MS wrote:We have a better Allan Houston with a handle, passing and defense. Period.

Kid is a star no questions asked. One of the best releases in the league. We struck gold.

He’s special.

He's good, but his jumper is no Allan Houston jumper. I see more of a 2 guard version of Shawn Marion as his ceiling. His absolute floor is probably Raja Bell/Marcus Smart/Aaron Mckie

Wth? Marion had one of the worst mechanics. Did you think we were talking about Obi?
Grimes is H20.2. Give him 15 FGAs a game and he will average over 20.
You don't believe me, ask Allan.

Obi reminds me nothing of Marion. But if you don't remember Marion's skill set,and see how it compares to Grimes, I don't know what to tell you.

His skill set is nothing like Allan Houston.

Since you don't remember: Grimes form is identical.


Houston's elbows are wider. If you want to say they were both light skinned, students of the game who kinda look alike if you squint, fine.

I compare skill sets.

Houston was a wet jump shooter, with a high IQ, a pure scorer whose game was dependent on his jumper with not much other stats to write home about and a maybe adequate defender at very very best best who needed the ball in his hands to score (unless he was used a a spot up shooter)

Grimes offense is more diverse. His jumper is not as text book as Allan's. But he is a much better slasher and finishes better. Grimes started as a PG so his overall view of the game is better, along with the skill set that comes with that position. Grimes is already light years ahead of Allan defensively (although he is currently making some pretty stupid mistakes). He also doesn't need plays run for him to score. Can defend multiple positions.

He is nothing like Houston (and I remember Allan. He was my second favorite Knick and what the 20 in my name represents).

I said he was a guard version of Shawn Marion. and I stand by it (I don't care what his shooting form looks like). I named Raja Bell and Aaron McKie too.


I agree for the most part about the Houston/Grimes comparison except for on thing, and I think those highlights back me up. I think young Houston was more explosive on the drive than Grimes. HE could get to the rim with those long strides and elevate. He could also just turn around and shoot over most defenders. The wear and tear on his knees made him have to change into different player.
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12/30/2022  1:11 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
MS wrote:We have a better Allan Houston with a handle, passing and defense. Period.

Kid is a star no questions asked. One of the best releases in the league. We struck gold.

He’s special.

He's good, but his jumper is no Allan Houston jumper. I see more of a 2 guard version of Shawn Marion as his ceiling. His absolute floor is probably Raja Bell/Marcus Smart/Aaron Mckie

Wth? Marion had one of the worst mechanics. Did you think we were talking about Obi?
Grimes is H20.2. Give him 15 FGAs a game and he will average over 20.
You don't believe me, ask Allan.

Obi reminds me nothing of Marion. But if you don't remember Marion's skill set,and see how it compares to Grimes, I don't know what to tell you.

His skill set is nothing like Allan Houston.

Since you don't remember: Grimes form is identical.


Houston's elbows are wider. If you want to say they were both light skinned, students of the game who kinda look alike if you squint, fine.

I compare skill sets.

Houston was a wet jump shooter, with a high IQ, a pure scorer whose game was dependent on his jumper with not much other stats to write home about and a maybe adequate defender at very very best best who needed the ball in his hands to score (unless he was used a a spot up shooter)

Grimes offense is more diverse. His jumper is not as text book as Allan's. But he is a much better slasher and finishes better. Grimes started as a PG so his overall view of the game is better, along with the skill set that comes with that position. Grimes is already light years ahead of Allan defensively (although he is currently making some pretty stupid mistakes). He also doesn't need plays run for him to score. Can defend multiple positions.

He is nothing like Houston (and I remember Allan. He was my second favorite Knick and what the 20 in my name represents).

I said he was a guard version of Shawn Marion. and I stand by it (I don't care what his shooting form looks like). I named Raja Bell and Aaron McKie too.


I agree for the most part about the Houston/Grimes comparison except for on thing, and I think those highlights back me up. I think young Houston was more explosive on the drive than Grimes. HE could get to the rim with those long strides and elevate. He could also just turn around and shoot over most defenders. The wear and tear on his knees made him have to change into different player.

Those jumpers almost never touch the rim and the net barely moves. Beautiful. Yeah, he could move when he was younger but his jumper was the cornerstone of his offense. He was able to get around those guys because they had to play him so close so he couldn't get it off. I thought that little post up at the elbow and below into the turnaround he used to do would be deadly, even though his knees were shot by that time and he was posting up so he didn't have to keep running.

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12/30/2022  8:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2022  8:21 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
MS wrote:We have a better Allan Houston with a handle, passing and defense. Period.

Kid is a star no questions asked. One of the best releases in the league. We struck gold.

He’s special.

He's good, but his jumper is no Allan Houston jumper. I see more of a 2 guard version of Shawn Marion as his ceiling. His absolute floor is probably Raja Bell/Marcus Smart/Aaron Mckie

Wth? Marion had one of the worst mechanics. Did you think we were talking about Obi?
Grimes is H20.2. Give him 15 FGAs a game and he will average over 20.
You don't believe me, ask Allan.

Obi reminds me nothing of Marion. But if you don't remember Marion's skill set,and see how it compares to Grimes, I don't know what to tell you.

His skill set is nothing like Allan Houston.

Since you don't remember: Grimes form is identical.


Houston's elbows are wider. If you want to say they were both light skinned, students of the game who kinda look alike if you squint, fine.

I compare skill sets.

Houston was a wet jump shooter, with a high IQ, a pure scorer whose game was dependent on his jumper with not much other stats to write home about and a maybe adequate defender at very very best best who needed the ball in his hands to score (unless he was used a a spot up shooter)

Grimes offense is more diverse. His jumper is not as text book as Allan's. But he is a much better slasher and finishes better. Grimes started as a PG so his overall view of the game is better, along with the skill set that comes with that position. Grimes is already light years ahead of Allan defensively (although he is currently making some pretty stupid mistakes). He also doesn't need plays run for him to score. Can defend multiple positions.

He is nothing like Houston (and I remember Allan. He was my second favorite Knick and what the 20 in my name represents).

I said he was a guard version of Shawn Marion. and I stand by it (I don't care what his shooting form looks like). I named Raja Bell and Aaron McKie too.


I agree for the most part about the Houston/Grimes comparison except for on thing, and I think those highlights back me up. I think young Houston was more explosive on the drive than Grimes. HE could get to the rim with those long strides and elevate. He could also just turn around and shoot over most defenders. The wear and tear on his knees made him have to change into different player.

Grimes and Houston are nothing alike. Grimes is a way better defender than Houston. Houston was a much better offensive player. If Houston played in this current era he would be a superstar
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12/31/2022  2:59 PM
Interesting stat:

When Grimes scores 10pts or more the Knicks are 6-1.
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12/31/2022  7:58 PM
Grimes is my favorite Knick right now. His potential is a championship caliber 2 guard. Defense, 3ball, passing, quick first step. Dude has the whole package. He is our most complete player right now. Wow, am I glad we didn't gift wrap him to the Jazz this summer
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Grimes needs one more year to grow into the starting role and for the other starters to learn to get the ball to
him in good spots, as opposed to just bailout passes that force Grimes to rush his shot. Grimes needs to slow down a bit with his jumper, but once he pulls it all together, he will be Klay Thompson 2.0. Because Grimes is a little smaller than Klay, I don’t think he will have to same defensive potential but he clearly is our best defensive wing, much better than RJ and stronger than Quickley. Given the other scorers in the starting lineup, I don’t know if Grimes reaches All-Star level, as I don’t think he will be given enough shots to average over 20 pts a game, but he certainly can be a championship caliber starting SG.
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1/10/2023  9:20 AM
Really could have used some shooting from Grimes last night.
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1/10/2023  9:24 AM
Panos wrote:Really could have used some shooting from Grimes last night.

Yeah, odd to look up and see him only at 1-7 with just a layup.

Unfortunately this will probably be the same up and down until next year.

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Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
MS wrote:We have a better Allan Houston with a handle, passing and defense. Period.

Kid is a star no questions asked. One of the best releases in the league. We struck gold.

He’s special.

He's good, but his jumper is no Allan Houston jumper. I see more of a 2 guard version of Shawn Marion as his ceiling. His absolute floor is probably Raja Bell/Marcus Smart/Aaron Mckie

Wth? Marion had one of the worst mechanics. Did you think we were talking about Obi?
Grimes is H20.2. Give him 15 FGAs a game and he will average over 20.
You don't believe me, ask Allan.

Obi reminds me nothing of Marion. But if you don't remember Marion's skill set,and see how it compares to Grimes, I don't know what to tell you.

His skill set is nothing like Allan Houston.

Since you don't remember: Grimes form is identical.


Houston's elbows are wider. If you want to say they were both light skinned, students of the game who kinda look alike if you squint, fine.

I compare skill sets.

Houston was a wet jump shooter, with a high IQ, a pure scorer whose game was dependent on his jumper with not much other stats to write home about and a maybe adequate defender at very very best best who needed the ball in his hands to score (unless he was used a a spot up shooter)

Grimes offense is more diverse. His jumper is not as text book as Allan's. But he is a much better slasher and finishes better. Grimes started as a PG so his overall view of the game is better, along with the skill set that comes with that position. Grimes is already light years ahead of Allan defensively (although he is currently making some pretty stupid mistakes). He also doesn't need plays run for him to score. Can defend multiple positions.

He is nothing like Houston (and I remember Allan. He was my second favorite Knick and what the 20 in my name represents).

I said he was a guard version of Shawn Marion. and I stand by it (I don't care what his shooting form looks like). I named Raja Bell and Aaron McKie too.


I agree for the most part about the Houston/Grimes comparison except for on thing, and I think those highlights back me up. I think young Houston was more explosive on the drive than Grimes. HE could get to the rim with those long strides and elevate. He could also just turn around and shoot over most defenders. The wear and tear on his knees made him have to change into different player.

Grimes and Houston are nothing alike. Grimes is a way better defender than Houston. Houston was a much better offensive player. If Houston played in this current era he would be a superstar

I think Houston would be one of the best 3pt specialists in the league. Not a superstar. Houston didnt take it to the rim often in his prime. Wasnt very good at it. Thats why that shot against Miami was an even bigger deal. Was the last player at the time, you would expect to take that shot. Let alone make it. His D was not good as well. Which was pointed out.

The best scenario for Houston today IMO would be 6th man. Would be in the running for 6th man of the year, every season. If healthy.
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1/10/2023  1:36 PM
martin wrote:
Panos wrote:Really could have used some shooting from Grimes last night.

Yeah, odd to look up and see him only at 1-7 with just a layup.

Unfortunately this will probably be the same up and down until next year.

I have seen enough to be patient tho
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Im not worried about Grimes- he was a rookie late first rounder that has missed a lot of time. To be honest we have had a lot banking on Grimes as our only true 3 and D wing, having him defend the oppositions best scoring guard and depending on him for 3 pt shooting. Having Josh Hart take some pressure off him I think will let him work through his shooting slump and get his confidence back. 25-30 solid minutes per game is still a really good role for him and I'm a buyer of his long term potential. We have seen him make major strides with his drive and dish game and he continues to keep getting better on D.
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2/18/2023  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2023  11:50 AM
Philc1 wrote:Nice player but let's manage expectations

No, Phil; now is not the time to "manage expectations".

This kid is already one of the most elite on ball and perimeter Defenders within the game today and a hands down lock for an NBA All-Defensive Team Selection.

Phil, he's an NBA RISING STAR.
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