BigDaddyG wrote:Cam has underperformed to expectations at Duke, Atlanta and here. I do have issues with some of Tom's "Thibisms", but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here. Also, it's pretty clear this benching is a mutual agreement between Cam's reps and the Knicks FO.

could very well have been a "showcasing" and the kid did OK with it. every team has different chemistry/needs/schematics. If there are "Suiter's" then there is a market. Knicks might be asking too much?
Their prerogative. Won't know until season is over and what got done or not.
I can see us moving Drose but only to a team contentending. That likely his preference but his contract is not cheap unless we buy him out.
Drose contract with Adidas is 4 pgs long and convoluted but he gets something nice thru 2024-2025. His contract with knicks is this year and next.
Hard to tell is he cooked or out of playing shape. He lost weight and came in not so quick. he was shut down january of 2022 after 26 games. He has not played very much under this contract.
Personally I'd like to see him finish out with the Bulls or a contender but not under our penalty. Knicks been good to him. Thibs and him have a bond. Perhaps he does his HOF inductions speech?
Is there any former MVP not in the HOF? Nope. Odds are he is the first. He does not have the College cred that Bill Walton had. In fact, Waltons College career is so off the charts he might have gotten in on that alone! Drose does not have that. Also Lebron, who like Jordan really never got the MVP cred they deserved was the better choice that year. But, Drose got the votes and the Adidas contract off that.

Nalod wrote:“Blacklisted”.

Is he a communist sympathizer? Registered sexual offender? Taliban supporter?
No, he is currently a non role player due to the success of a rotation that does not include him.
Speculation that teams are interested in trading for him.
Team is .500. Less during losing streaks when fans can suggest things to improve. More and fans can bask in glory and suggest things to make it even better.
Reddish was an opportunity that did not pan out for him or the team. Grimes did.

No, he’s a better defender than grimes and he’s sitting on the bench for no real reason

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Kemet wrote:Let's figure it out .. Barrett is no longer needed as a SG in the rotation.
SG Grimes and SG Quickley took over the Knicks 48 min of SG duties.
SF Hunt was cut, and SF Fournier plus SF Reddish was taken out the rotation without a comment from the coach.

SF RJ Barrett has no SF teammate taking any of his 40 min of playing time.
Imagine Barretts game stats receiving 27 min a game (inconsistency).

That sounds good but that is also how Thibs ran him into the ground last year.

As of 12/26/22
Barrett is getting 35 minutes per game. Tied for 30th in the league with a 32 year old Lillard.
Julius is getting 34.2 minutes. Good for 40th in the league.
Brunson is getting 32.5 minutes. Good for 66th in the league.

Minutes. Are. Not. The. Issue.

As a comparison, before this load management crap, in the 2002/03 season,
Barrett's minutes would have put him at 49. Julius minutes would have put him at 55. Brunson would be at 73.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

Look for yourself. This Thibs minutes thing is so overblown. He is not playing anyone on this team a crazy amount of minutes. Derrick Rose tore his knee in 2012. His minutes before that (2008-2011) 37, 36.8, 37.4, and 35.3. Good for 25, 25, 14, 24 (the year he was injured). Seems the one up tick was in 2010. Top 25 minutes for a 22 year old MVP caliber player doesn't seem to crazy to me.

Jimmy Butler seems to be the only guy that Thibs relied on to play top 10 minutes. The seasons he averaged over 30 minutes a game (starting in his 3rd season 2013) he was ranked #1(T), #1, #4. And BTW, Fred Hoiberg played Jimmy Butler 37 minutes per game his first year (ranked 6)

Joakim Noah topped out at a rank of 14 in 2012 (when Rose got hurt). other than that, no major minutes of note.

In Minny Towns played 37 minutes per (ranked 5) in TT's first year as coach then steadily declined.

This minutes crap with Thibs started and ended with Jimmy Butler, and for some reason is a label he can't shake. I think the worst of it is that he requires a hard 37 minutes per game (he hasnt played any of his top players over what looks like 39 minutes per game).

See this is an example of taking stats and manipulating them to try and make a incorrect point. We’re not discussing the season, we’re discussing since the rotation got cut. RJ’s minutes since the rotation change around 10 games ago has gone up to almost 39 minutes. That’s including the warriors game where Thibs took out the starters because it would have been rude to beat the warriors with the starters all night. In the other 9 games his average goes up to close to 40 minutes a game. Which leads to my original point he was actually averaging around 40 minutes when he got injured in February and then again in April. I actually like RJ playing with the bench but playing him 40 minutes so he can play second/third fiddle with the starters and primary offense with the bench is not how you manage the roster if you want RJ to have anything left in the tank for the playoffs.

Maybe Toppin comes back and Thibs lowers the minutes, but I don’t know. There is a need for a third wing/forward on this roster who can get minutes under Thibs. It might not be this year though they may have to draft him.

OK...so let me get this straight. You are taking a 10 game increment. An increment where this team has gone 8-3 so far, where going to a 9 man rotation in itself will mean your best players will by default get more minutes (along with anyone else in your rotation)-and keep in mind 1 member of that rotation is INJURED- and are applying it to an overall picture of Thibs running his players into the ground.

Meanwhile, I am taking SEASONS. With documented, official minutes. Not some stupid analytics, WAR, PER, or other math equation, but hard, documentable stats, and I am the one manipulating stats.

OK. You're right. Play Ryan Archidiancono, Svi Mykhailiuk more minutes. Or please bring Fournier back into the rotation. Better yet, just go back to the rotation from the beginning of the season where everyone was crying for him to shorten the rotation, and remove guys like Fournier from it, and play the kids.

Wait I am confused? You think explaining the flaw in your data sample makes it more valid? There is the 10-11 man rotation and RJ’s minutes which isn’t relevant because we’re in the 8-9 man rotation that led to this winning streak. The whole topic is Cam losing minutes and then the affect of it. I don’t know if the Knicks stick toppin in there (he’s not a 3 in any shape of form), make a trade, play Syl…. I do know the last time RJ’s minutes were this high he started getting injured.

Wait. Flaws in my.. what? How did you even interpret....Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick? Am I on one of those video shows where a guy pops out seeing how I deal with some weird situation? My therapist told me there would be people like this.

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.

You do you, bro. Have a wonderful day.

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Kemet wrote:Let's figure it out .. Barrett is no longer needed as a SG in the rotation.
SG Grimes and SG Quickley took over the Knicks 48 min of SG duties.
SF Hunt was cut, and SF Fournier plus SF Reddish was taken out the rotation without a comment from the coach.

SF RJ Barrett has no SF teammate taking any of his 40 min of playing time.
Imagine Barretts game stats receiving 27 min a game (inconsistency).

That sounds good but that is also how Thibs ran him into the ground last year.

As of 12/26/22
Barrett is getting 35 minutes per game. Tied for 30th in the league with a 32 year old Lillard.
Julius is getting 34.2 minutes. Good for 40th in the league.
Brunson is getting 32.5 minutes. Good for 66th in the league.

Minutes. Are. Not. The. Issue.

As a comparison, before this load management crap, in the 2002/03 season,
Barrett's minutes would have put him at 49. Julius minutes would have put him at 55. Brunson would be at 73.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

Look for yourself. This Thibs minutes thing is so overblown. He is not playing anyone on this team a crazy amount of minutes. Derrick Rose tore his knee in 2012. His minutes before that (2008-2011) 37, 36.8, 37.4, and 35.3. Good for 25, 25, 14, 24 (the year he was injured). Seems the one up tick was in 2010. Top 25 minutes for a 22 year old MVP caliber player doesn't seem to crazy to me.

Jimmy Butler seems to be the only guy that Thibs relied on to play top 10 minutes. The seasons he averaged over 30 minutes a game (starting in his 3rd season 2013) he was ranked #1(T), #1, #4. And BTW, Fred Hoiberg played Jimmy Butler 37 minutes per game his first year (ranked 6)

Joakim Noah topped out at a rank of 14 in 2012 (when Rose got hurt). other than that, no major minutes of note.

In Minny Towns played 37 minutes per (ranked 5) in TT's first year as coach then steadily declined.

This minutes crap with Thibs started and ended with Jimmy Butler, and for some reason is a label he can't shake. I think the worst of it is that he requires a hard 37 minutes per game (he hasnt played any of his top players over what looks like 39 minutes per game).

See this is an example of taking stats and manipulating them to try and make a incorrect point. We’re not discussing the season, we’re discussing since the rotation got cut. RJ’s minutes since the rotation change around 10 games ago has gone up to almost 39 minutes. That’s including the warriors game where Thibs took out the starters because it would have been rude to beat the warriors with the starters all night. In the other 9 games his average goes up to close to 40 minutes a game. Which leads to my original point he was actually averaging around 40 minutes when he got injured in February and then again in April. I actually like RJ playing with the bench but playing him 40 minutes so he can play second/third fiddle with the starters and primary offense with the bench is not how you manage the roster if you want RJ to have anything left in the tank for the playoffs.

Maybe Toppin comes back and Thibs lowers the minutes, but I don’t know. There is a need for a third wing/forward on this roster who can get minutes under Thibs. It might not be this year though they may have to draft him.

OK...so let me get this straight. You are taking a 10 game increment. An increment where this team has gone 8-3 so far, where going to a 9 man rotation in itself will mean your best players will by default get more minutes (along with anyone else in your rotation)-and keep in mind 1 member of that rotation is INJURED- and are applying it to an overall picture of Thibs running his players into the ground.

Meanwhile, I am taking SEASONS. With documented, official minutes. Not some stupid analytics, WAR, PER, or other math equation, but hard, documentable stats, and I am the one manipulating stats.

OK. You're right. Play Ryan Archidiancono, Svi Mykhailiuk more minutes. Or please bring Fournier back into the rotation. Better yet, just go back to the rotation from the beginning of the season where everyone was crying for him to shorten the rotation, and remove guys like Fournier from it, and play the kids.

Wait I am confused? You think explaining the flaw in your data sample makes it more valid? There is the 10-11 man rotation and RJ’s minutes which isn’t relevant because we’re in the 8-9 man rotation that led to this winning streak. The whole topic is Cam losing minutes and then the affect of it. I don’t know if the Knicks stick toppin in there (he’s not a 3 in any shape of form), make a trade, play Syl…. I do know the last time RJ’s minutes were this high he started getting injured.

Wait. Flaws in my.. what? How did you even interpret....Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick? Am I on one of those video shows where a guy pops out seeing how I deal with some weird situation? My therapist told me there would be people like this.

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.

You do you, bro. Have a wonderful day.

Based on this whole back and forth I see why you need a therapist… but it’s all good.

Ooooooohhhh......you got me. Good one.

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Kemet wrote:Let's figure it out .. Barrett is no longer needed as a SG in the rotation.
SG Grimes and SG Quickley took over the Knicks 48 min of SG duties.
SF Hunt was cut, and SF Fournier plus SF Reddish was taken out the rotation without a comment from the coach.

SF RJ Barrett has no SF teammate taking any of his 40 min of playing time.
Imagine Barretts game stats receiving 27 min a game (inconsistency).

That sounds good but that is also how Thibs ran him into the ground last year.

As of 12/26/22
Barrett is getting 35 minutes per game. Tied for 30th in the league with a 32 year old Lillard.
Julius is getting 34.2 minutes. Good for 40th in the league.
Brunson is getting 32.5 minutes. Good for 66th in the league.

Minutes. Are. Not. The. Issue.

As a comparison, before this load management crap, in the 2002/03 season,
Barrett's minutes would have put him at 49. Julius minutes would have put him at 55. Brunson would be at 73.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

Look for yourself. This Thibs minutes thing is so overblown. He is not playing anyone on this team a crazy amount of minutes. Derrick Rose tore his knee in 2012. His minutes before that (2008-2011) 37, 36.8, 37.4, and 35.3. Good for 25, 25, 14, 24 (the year he was injured). Seems the one up tick was in 2010. Top 25 minutes for a 22 year old MVP caliber player doesn't seem to crazy to me.

Jimmy Butler seems to be the only guy that Thibs relied on to play top 10 minutes. The seasons he averaged over 30 minutes a game (starting in his 3rd season 2013) he was ranked #1(T), #1, #4. And BTW, Fred Hoiberg played Jimmy Butler 37 minutes per game his first year (ranked 6)

Joakim Noah topped out at a rank of 14 in 2012 (when Rose got hurt). other than that, no major minutes of note.

In Minny Towns played 37 minutes per (ranked 5) in TT's first year as coach then steadily declined.

This minutes crap with Thibs started and ended with Jimmy Butler, and for some reason is a label he can't shake. I think the worst of it is that he requires a hard 37 minutes per game (he hasnt played any of his top players over what looks like 39 minutes per game).

See this is an example of taking stats and manipulating them to try and make a incorrect point. We’re not discussing the season, we’re discussing since the rotation got cut. RJ’s minutes since the rotation change around 10 games ago has gone up to almost 39 minutes. That’s including the warriors game where Thibs took out the starters because it would have been rude to beat the warriors with the starters all night. In the other 9 games his average goes up to close to 40 minutes a game. Which leads to my original point he was actually averaging around 40 minutes when he got injured in February and then again in April. I actually like RJ playing with the bench but playing him 40 minutes so he can play second/third fiddle with the starters and primary offense with the bench is not how you manage the roster if you want RJ to have anything left in the tank for the playoffs.

Maybe Toppin comes back and Thibs lowers the minutes, but I don’t know. There is a need for a third wing/forward on this roster who can get minutes under Thibs. It might not be this year though they may have to draft him.

OK...so let me get this straight. You are taking a 10 game increment. An increment where this team has gone 8-3 so far, where going to a 9 man rotation in itself will mean your best players will by default get more minutes (along with anyone else in your rotation)-and keep in mind 1 member of that rotation is INJURED- and are applying it to an overall picture of Thibs running his players into the ground.

Meanwhile, I am taking SEASONS. With documented, official minutes. Not some stupid analytics, WAR, PER, or other math equation, but hard, documentable stats, and I am the one manipulating stats.

OK. You're right. Play Ryan Archidiancono, Svi Mykhailiuk more minutes. Or please bring Fournier back into the rotation. Better yet, just go back to the rotation from the beginning of the season where everyone was crying for him to shorten the rotation, and remove guys like Fournier from it, and play the kids.

Wait I am confused? You think explaining the flaw in your data sample makes it more valid? There is the 10-11 man rotation and RJ’s minutes which isn’t relevant because we’re in the 8-9 man rotation that led to this winning streak. The whole topic is Cam losing minutes and then the affect of it. I don’t know if the Knicks stick toppin in there (he’s not a 3 in any shape of form), make a trade, play Syl…. I do know the last time RJ’s minutes were this high he started getting injured.

Wait. Flaws in my.. what? How did you even interpret....Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick? Am I on one of those video shows where a guy pops out seeing how I deal with some weird situation? My therapist told me there would be people like this.

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.

You do you, bro. Have a wonderful day.

Based on this whole back and forth I see why you need a therapist… but it’s all good.

Ooooooohhhh......you got me. Good one.

Wow looks like I was right unfortunately… Wow… I wish I wasn’t though… but I was

Go back and read. The topic of Cam losing minutes was literally answered by Martin in the first 3 posts of the thread. They were losing when he played. Went on an 8 game win streak when he didn't. There are heavy reports that while he didn't ask for a trade the Knicks are going to try to accommodate him, while still trying to do what is best for the team. Do you not remember what happened when the Knicks had a deal in place to trade trade Shumpert for Reggie Jackson ( I think) and he messed up his knee playing in a game the night he was supposed to be traded?

I didn't bring up RJ's minutes. I didn't bring up Thibs. My first post was responding to a post regarding RJ's minutes and how "Thibs ran him into the ground last year" (your post).

I've backed up my point (Thibs reputation for running players into the ground is not fact based on evidence-with seasons worth of solid data). Some how you feel your data is more solid. Then you try to okie doke me a post that is 100% not what I was saying.

Either or. It's fine. This conversation is not going to go anywhere. Keep on keepin' on.

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Kemet wrote:Let's figure it out .. Barrett is no longer needed as a SG in the rotation.
SG Grimes and SG Quickley took over the Knicks 48 min of SG duties.
SF Hunt was cut, and SF Fournier plus SF Reddish was taken out the rotation without a comment from the coach.

SF RJ Barrett has no SF teammate taking any of his 40 min of playing time.
Imagine Barretts game stats receiving 27 min a game (inconsistency).

That sounds good but that is also how Thibs ran him into the ground last year.

As of 12/26/22
Barrett is getting 35 minutes per game. Tied for 30th in the league with a 32 year old Lillard.
Julius is getting 34.2 minutes. Good for 40th in the league.
Brunson is getting 32.5 minutes. Good for 66th in the league.

Minutes. Are. Not. The. Issue.

As a comparison, before this load management crap, in the 2002/03 season,
Barrett's minutes would have put him at 49. Julius minutes would have put him at 55. Brunson would be at 73.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

Look for yourself. This Thibs minutes thing is so overblown. He is not playing anyone on this team a crazy amount of minutes. Derrick Rose tore his knee in 2012. His minutes before that (2008-2011) 37, 36.8, 37.4, and 35.3. Good for 25, 25, 14, 24 (the year he was injured). Seems the one up tick was in 2010. Top 25 minutes for a 22 year old MVP caliber player doesn't seem to crazy to me.

Jimmy Butler seems to be the only guy that Thibs relied on to play top 10 minutes. The seasons he averaged over 30 minutes a game (starting in his 3rd season 2013) he was ranked #1(T), #1, #4. And BTW, Fred Hoiberg played Jimmy Butler 37 minutes per game his first year (ranked 6)

Joakim Noah topped out at a rank of 14 in 2012 (when Rose got hurt). other than that, no major minutes of note.

In Minny Towns played 37 minutes per (ranked 5) in TT's first year as coach then steadily declined.

This minutes crap with Thibs started and ended with Jimmy Butler, and for some reason is a label he can't shake. I think the worst of it is that he requires a hard 37 minutes per game (he hasnt played any of his top players over what looks like 39 minutes per game).

See this is an example of taking stats and manipulating them to try and make a incorrect point. We’re not discussing the season, we’re discussing since the rotation got cut. RJ’s minutes since the rotation change around 10 games ago has gone up to almost 39 minutes. That’s including the warriors game where Thibs took out the starters because it would have been rude to beat the warriors with the starters all night. In the other 9 games his average goes up to close to 40 minutes a game. Which leads to my original point he was actually averaging around 40 minutes when he got injured in February and then again in April. I actually like RJ playing with the bench but playing him 40 minutes so he can play second/third fiddle with the starters and primary offense with the bench is not how you manage the roster if you want RJ to have anything left in the tank for the playoffs.

Maybe Toppin comes back and Thibs lowers the minutes, but I don’t know. There is a need for a third wing/forward on this roster who can get minutes under Thibs. It might not be this year though they may have to draft him.

OK...so let me get this straight. You are taking a 10 game increment. An increment where this team has gone 8-3 so far, where going to a 9 man rotation in itself will mean your best players will by default get more minutes (along with anyone else in your rotation)-and keep in mind 1 member of that rotation is INJURED- and are applying it to an overall picture of Thibs running his players into the ground.

Meanwhile, I am taking SEASONS. With documented, official minutes. Not some stupid analytics, WAR, PER, or other math equation, but hard, documentable stats, and I am the one manipulating stats.

OK. You're right. Play Ryan Archidiancono, Svi Mykhailiuk more minutes. Or please bring Fournier back into the rotation. Better yet, just go back to the rotation from the beginning of the season where everyone was crying for him to shorten the rotation, and remove guys like Fournier from it, and play the kids.

Wait I am confused? You think explaining the flaw in your data sample makes it more valid? There is the 10-11 man rotation and RJ’s minutes which isn’t relevant because we’re in the 8-9 man rotation that led to this winning streak. The whole topic is Cam losing minutes and then the affect of it. I don’t know if the Knicks stick toppin in there (he’s not a 3 in any shape of form), make a trade, play Syl…. I do know the last time RJ’s minutes were this high he started getting injured.

Wait. Flaws in my.. what? How did you even interpret....Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick? Am I on one of those video shows where a guy pops out seeing how I deal with some weird situation? My therapist told me there would be people like this.

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.

You do you, bro. Have a wonderful day.

Based on this whole back and forth I see why you need a therapist… but it’s all good.

Ooooooohhhh......you got me. Good one.

Wow looks like I was right unfortunately… Wow… I wish I wasn’t though… but I was

Go back and read. The topic of Cam losing minutes was literally answered by Martin in the first 3 posts of the thread. They were losing when he played. Went on an 8 game win streak when he didn't. There are heavy reports that while he didn't ask for a trade the Knicks are going to try to accommodate him, while still trying to do what is best for the team. Do you not remember what happened when the Knicks had a deal in place to trade trade Shumpert for Reggie Jackson ( I think) and he messed up his knee playing in a game the night he was supposed to be traded?

I didn't bring up RJ's minutes. I didn't bring up Thibs. My first post was responding to a post regarding RJ's minutes and how "Thibs ran him into the ground last year" (your post).

I've backed up my point (Thibs reputation for running players into the ground is not fact based on evidence-with seasons worth of solid data). Some how you feel your data is more solid. Then you try to okie doke me a post that is 100% not what I was saying.

Either or. It's fine. This conversation is not going to go anywhere. Keep on keepin' on.

Bro I am gone… This team is barely enjoyable and these debates on them less so.

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:“Blacklisted”.

Is he a communist sympathizer? Registered sexual offender? Taliban supporter?
No, he is currently a non role player due to the success of a rotation that does not include him.
Speculation that teams are interested in trading for him.
Team is .500. Less during losing streaks when fans can suggest things to improve. More and fans can bask in glory and suggest things to make it even better.
Reddish was an opportunity that did not pan out for him or the team. Grimes did.

No, he’s a better defender than grimes and he’s sitting on the bench for no real reason

You watch games? Read media, read whats written here, ask a question, get answers and yet you had this gem tucked away? Did the 8 game wins streak not give you a clue? We lose close games more often than not? Can you demonstrate that cam is a better defender statistically to add to the conversation rather than one of your typical thin one liners?
Is “Black listed” a bit extreme term? Likley your trying to be cute but when you often don’t demonstrate depth and then attempt sarcasm it falls way short.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:“Blacklisted”.

Is he a communist sympathizer? Registered sexual offender? Taliban supporter?
No, he is currently a non role player due to the success of a rotation that does not include him.
Speculation that teams are interested in trading for him.
Team is .500. Less during losing streaks when fans can suggest things to improve. More and fans can bask in glory and suggest things to make it even better.
Reddish was an opportunity that did not pan out for him or the team. Grimes did.

No, he’s a better defender than grimes and he’s sitting on the bench for no real reason

You watch games? Read media, read whats written here, ask a question, get answers and yet you had this gem tucked away? Did the 8 game wins streak not give you a clue? We lose close games more often than not? Can you demonstrate that cam is a better defender statistically to add to the conversation rather than one of your typical thin one liners?
Is “Black listed” a bit extreme term? Likley your trying to be cute but when you often don’t demonstrate depth and then attempt sarcasm it falls way short.

Nalod wrote:Joec, Wargames has his agenda and your facts ruined it so the push back is to attempt to discredit. I wish martin could have a sticky “urban legend” thread were redundant misconceptions are often presented.
I appreciate your effort to move a conversation forward with accuracy rather than sporting a debate.
We have a few posters who prefer to somtime win an argument than see the team succeed. They just don’t see it that way.

RJ and Brunson both injured and Cam still getting coach’s DNPs thank God. We wouldn’t want to accidentally win a game.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:“Blacklisted”.

Is he a communist sympathizer? Registered sexual offender? Taliban supporter?
No, he is currently a non role player due to the success of a rotation that does not include him.
Speculation that teams are interested in trading for him.
Team is .500. Less during losing streaks when fans can suggest things to improve. More and fans can bask in glory and suggest things to make it even better.
Reddish was an opportunity that did not pan out for him or the team. Grimes did.

No, he’s a better defender than grimes and he’s sitting on the bench for no real reason

You watch games? Read media, read whats written here, ask a question, get answers and yet you had this gem tucked away? Did the 8 game wins streak not give you a clue? We lose close games more often than not? Can you demonstrate that cam is a better defender statistically to add to the conversation rather than one of your typical thin one liners?
Is “Black listed” a bit extreme term? Likley your trying to be cute but when you often don’t demonstrate depth and then attempt sarcasm it falls way short.

Nalod wrote:Joec, Wargames has his agenda and your facts ruined it so the push back is to attempt to discredit. I wish martin could have a sticky “urban legend” thread were redundant misconceptions are often presented.
I appreciate your effort to move a conversation forward with accuracy rather than sporting a debate.
We have a few posters who prefer to somtime win an argument than see the team succeed. They just don’t see it that way.

RJ and Brunson both injured and Cam still getting coach’s DNPs thank God. We wouldn’t want to accidentally win a game.

The game was close? Maybe with Cam its not. You can second guess yourself into thinking your clever but really each attempt is a stroke away from being as such.

You’re right most impressive 4 game losing streak ever

joec32033 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Not playing Reddish is really paying dividends

I respect the commitment, but I feel that if Cam was as good as you keep saying he is, he wouldn't be Cam Reddish, he would be Jason Tatum.

You answered the question why the Knicks should have Cam in the rotation ..
The Knicks roster don't have a better defender at the SF position other than Cam Reddish.
Cam Reddish multi position defense for 20 to 24 minutes to slow down high scoring on opponents like: Jason Tatum, Luka Doncic, Derozan, Durant, Giannis, Butler, Herro, Edwards, Paul George, Kahwi, and the 6.7 Raptors lineup.

As soon as Thibs reduce the players rotation on the Wolves, Butler screamed "I want to be traded".
Taking Cam out the rotation only reduced the 10 man rotation to 9 player rotation, so both or one of Randle or Barrett will be in every lineup he put on the court for 48 minutes (Randle & Barrett are Ball-Stoppers).
In the Mavs game coach Thibs played a 8 man rotation, which Thibs have a habit of doing the start of the midseason games.