HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:For those complaining that grimes on took 3 shots (Hofstra) doesn’t understand team basketball. Everybody can’t do the same things and sometimes certain players have to take a back seat and contribute in other ways for the better of the team. Just think of the heat big 3 with Lebron wade and bosh. All 3 were franchise players. Bosh turned into a roll player for them to win.
What does wanting your 3pt specialist to shoot more than 3 shots have to do with being against team basketball? I get it, you root for that blue collar role.(Deuce) Perhaps that is where your Bball experience lies. Chest passes, working hard on defense. All good. But I have never been part of a team where the coach did not want shooters to shoot. Good "team basketball" included players/plays that got them the ball. And not once did that imply "do not play team ball". You see, good teams/good coaches take advantage of all their players strengths. Imo, Grimes strengths are defense and shooting. Therefore "good team basketball" requires he get more than three shots. As well as our big three are playing, if we are honest, there were many opportunities for kick outs and ball sharing. Ie. "TEAM BASKETBALL" But you missed that.
So are you telling me that your vision, regular fan, and that of the FO should be to have Grimes, their 3pt breakout specialist shoot three shots a game? Be just a role guy in the first unit? That if Grimes takes more than 3 shots, he is somehow less of a "team player" lmao
Youre losing this convo and my interest very fast sir. Grimes is fine. Nobody told Grimes to only shoot 3 shots. Grimes is a shooter, but there's only so many shots to go around. This team is not a perfect basketball team. Your expectations are unrealistic. Seems like your interest is more on Grimes shooting attempts and mine is more on wins. So I'm sorry but we are on two different planets and will never agree. Relax and have some tea.
And since you asked, I root for all players that wear orange and blue. (Pinse was one of my favorite players and he rarely played). And BTW....Deuce and Grimes combined into 1 player was me in my prime (and now at 50). Again, since you're trying to put a label on me, I figure I help you out. Yes I'm a 80s basketball fan where blue collar players are the players I grew up watching. This is why I asked for your age. If your still wet behind the ears, I get it. It's all about how many points you put up. Thats not the case for this OG. As much as I like to shoot, I love playing defense just as much, sometimes more. And as the best player, I've had games where I only shot 3x but we won. Next game I shot 15x. And how many times did Grimes shoot today? Exactly. Relax! Enjoy the ride. Don't be a typical NYers who's impatient and quick to fix something thats not broken.
Losing convo? Leaving out other tangents, you said I was more concerned with Grimes number of shots vs Team bball. I mentioned how you fail to understand that Grimes getting only three shots is the result of the lack of "team play".
OK Gotcha.
Unless I missed something, I can't blame his 3 shots on "team play". Guess thats where we are different. Grimes is not shy on his shots. And he seems to touch the ball a lot every game. But he's not like RJ, Randle or JB right now. Thats not his roll. So if he's missing, he will do more other things like pass, drive and kick, etc...
When our top 3 guys miss a few shots (especially RJ), they just keep shooting their way out. Thats not Grimes roll right now. So he will have days with 3 attempts. But thats an anomaly, not the norm.
My take is SO WHAT. Why does it matter. What if the team fed Grimes and we lost? Grimes shoots more than 3 attempts and the knicks lose, now whats your take? These guys are not robots. The team play is not perfect. Yet we won 8 straight. If Grimes only shooting 3 shots helps us win games, don't change it.
Why does it matter? Why are either of us on a fan forum?
We are talking Knicks right? Talking about how they can go deep.Whats there to relax about? Like talking bball. Why I am on here. You good? Lol
We are just talking about how the team can be better. Which is the case if RJ,JB and Randle play good team ball. We will be better if RJ is aware of his shooters. We will be better if Randle recognizes double teams and finds Grimes early. We will be better if JB finds others more than 3 times a game.
I am happy with the current state. Love our players. Not going to knock the best streak in 30 years. But again, I want them to be elite. That's the mentality I played with and the mentality of the coaches I played for. Pointing out areas of possible improvement is far from your take that I care about shooting or Grimes more than winning. It's just a simple convo on a fan forum about things we notice.
Not big on personal facts. Think guys that mention them are open to taking this way too seriously. And of course open to the wise ass remark. But I am over 40. Played at a high level and my father has coached for over 32 years. Wet behind the ears is a relative term. We are all probably still there. There is always more we can learn.
I'm saying why does it matter he shot 3x in one game?
I've played, coached, etc...Doesn't mean we have to see the game the same or have the same experiences.
I've had guys come to me several times when I played and said, man if they pass you the ball more or why don't you shoot more. 3 titles later, those questions stopped coming.
Sometimes (and I'm guilty of this) we over analyze to a fault. We try to fix every think and sometimes those things get ironed out. Plus we sucked for so long, the last thing I will try to do if fix it after 8 games now. The fixing part was last year and the beginning of this year. Thats more than 8 games of fixing. Now that we have the right recipe, sometimes you have to take a step back and relax. But I hear you. Thibs needs to clean shave. Randle needs to go right more. RJ needs to pick his head up. I can go on and on and on, in the direction you are trying to go. But I've been there and I've learned. I used to be the same way, but I've learned not to over analyze and in person, try not to micro manage. 3 attempts vs how many shots his man made? How many assist or hockey assist did he get. There are so many things that contribute to a win, outside of Grimes one game of 3 attempts.
If you want to talk about how to make this team close to perfect, go ahead. It's an open forum. And just like you made your point, I made a counter by saying, SO WHAT he only shot 3x. Thats an easy fix. Especially for Grimes who's a natural shooter. But can you fix Wins?
Basketball is not as simple as people think. Sometimes a little tweek like making RJ aware that Grimes is open when you drive, might throw RJ's entire game off. Sometimes you have to let players roll through mistakes, because this team needs an aggressive RJ and not an RJ thats over thinking.
IQ is a great example. Someone told him, he needs to develop more PG skills. Now fans want to trade him because he's not hitting his shots. Sometimes you have to take a player as he is, and slow help him evolve or trade him. We don't have a team of superstars. We have roll players trying to play past their ceiling. So with this team my approach is different, vs if we had a different set of players who are not as volatile. IQ should've first perfected his 6 man role, then see how he can become a PG. He was a scorer all through college, and thats what he knows best. Glas he's going back to that role.
So we just see the game different right now. I used to be just like you, so I understand your point. Sorry you can't see mine. And thats ok with me.
And to you first question, yes I'm good. We won 8 straight. What am I upset about? I'm very good right now. Trying not to get too high or too low. (Sorry for the typos, but it's getting late)
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