BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I'd feel good about it. He needs to build up his value. Right now, I'd say he's could fetch a protected first rounders or get packages for a star. But he needs to regain momentum.

I hear this all the time, and you know what happens. Obi regains his value and thats why everybody is like, ok lets keep him. This version of Obi is a keeper. lol

It sounds good, but at least in knick land, I've rarely seen us increase someones value then trade em. We continue to trade players when their value has dropped. And keep players when your value increases. Not saying your right or wrong. Logically it makes since, when you talking about the stock market. Buy low and sell high. But with knick players, it never seems to work out like that.

I'm an Obi fan, but the Knicks kind of painted themselves in a corner when they drafted him in the first place. The way the Knicks are using him... I'd say it just would make sense to trade him for a rotation forward who can play defense and hit an occasional three.

Jae Crowder, John Collins?

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I'd feel good about it. He needs to build up his value. Right now, I'd say he's could fetch a protected first rounders or get packages for a star. But he needs to regain momentum.

I hear this all the time, and you know what happens. Obi regains his value and thats why everybody is like, ok lets keep him. This version of Obi is a keeper. lol

It sounds good, but at least in knick land, I've rarely seen us increase someones value then trade em. We continue to trade players when their value has dropped. And keep players when your value increases. Not saying your right or wrong. Logically it makes since, when you talking about the stock market. Buy low and sell high. But with knick players, it never seems to work out like that.

I'm an Obi fan, but the Knicks kind of painted themselves in a corner when they drafted him in the first place. The way the Knicks are using him... I'd say it just would make sense to trade him for a rotation forward who can play defense and hit an occasional three.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I'd feel good about it. He needs to build up his value. Right now, I'd say he's could fetch a protected first rounders or get packages for a star. But he needs to regain momentum.

I hear this all the time, and you know what happens. Obi regains his value and thats why everybody is like, ok lets keep him. This version of Obi is a keeper. lol

It sounds good, but at least in knick land, I've rarely seen us increase someones value then trade em. We continue to trade players when their value has dropped. And keep players when your value increases. Not saying your right or wrong. Logically it makes since, when you talking about the stock market. Buy low and sell high. But with knick players, it never seems to work out like that.

I'm an Obi fan, but the Knicks kind of painted themselves in a corner when they drafted him in the first place. The way the Knicks are using him... I'd say it just would make sense to trade him for a rotation forward who can play defense and hit an occasional three.

I like Obi a lot as well. Impossible not to root for him. I would think the Lakers would be really be pining for some of our guys sitting. Fournier/Rose/Cam and Obi could really help them

How about some kind of deal centering around Robert Covington and a protected first for Obi and Rose or Cam? I don't know how washed Covington is now, but I'd bet he'd still be valuable as a reserve.

I’d rather use Obi for a real impact player, like as part of a Kuzma level trade to net an elite 6th man.

Deuce
Quick
RJ or Grimes
Obi
Sims

Yes, Obi should be back in the rotation. But with more of a part in the game plan.

our best plan is to feature him more in offense of second unit. he can't just be a leakout and back cut guy.

and i wouldn't rule out situations with him and Randle together. Depends on what the other team is doing. Randle and Obi together have a better chance of spacing the floor than either of them paired with any of our 5s. this should help RJ, Brunson and of course Julius too. SO if the other team is playing a small rotation we migth consider this

Clean wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Given Randle’s strong play of late, Obi is not really missed. He primarily just basket hangs.IMHO he doesn’t bring that much to the table.

So the best shooter on team for most of the season does not bring that much to the table? To this team that was near the bottom of the league in shooting 3's. People are quick to forget. I wonder how many more wins we would have had when Obi was shooting well if we made the switch to the young guards earlier. Instead of the traffic cones of Evan and Rose. Obi can never win. He tries to play to his strength he gets criticized for not being able to shoot. He learned how to shoot and play a role completely opposite to his strengths and people still criticize him. Let him go to a team with good ball movement and watch how many people be surprised and how well he does.

Watching the games I'm not seeing the impact of not having the "best shooter on the team" on the floor. If that's due to Randle's imrpoved play or not can be debated but Obi just seems like eating pretzels at the bar, empty calories. If any our youth has to go I'd prefer Obi before Quickley or any of the others

Clean wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Given Randle’s strong play of late, Obi is not really missed. He primarily just basket hangs.IMHO he doesn’t bring that much to the table.

So the best shooter on team for most of the season does not bring that much to the table? To this team that was near the bottom of the league in shooting 3's. People are quick to forget. I wonder how many more wins we would have had when Obi was shooting well if we made the switch to the young guards earlier. Instead of the traffic cones of Evan and Rose. Obi can never win. He tries to play to his strength he gets criticized for not being able to shoot. He learned how to shoot and play a role completely opposite to his strengths and people still criticize him. Let him go to a team with good ball movement and watch how many people be surprised and how well he does.

To be fair, Obi is only the best 3pt shooter on the team, not best shooter. He is shooting 35% from distance and that's NBA average. So best shooter is not really a call out.

Obi has to put it together. Grimes also has a floor spreading role, but he continues to find ways to impact the game and bring his best. Obi has to do the same.

Somehow McBride can barely shoot but he impacts the game.

Obi's role is to impact the game, not whatever else you may be thinking about. His role is not just to stand there and pretend he is Steve Novack without movement.

Philc1 wrote:Obi needs to go back into rotation. We need shooting at PF. Sims is really a defensive C and Hart hasn’t shown any shooting ability here so far. We got away with this last few games because it’s a softer part of the schedule

After Drummond had to sit with his 3Rd foul, I thought that Sims-Hart lineup was really interesting. They controlled the paint on defense forcing Chicago to take perimeter shots and were able to grab a ton of offensive boards. That group kind of lacks offense but RJ was able to provide just enough of a boost for it to work. Not sure if Obi could do that in RJs minutes.

gradyandrew wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Obi needs to go back into rotation. We need shooting at PF. Sims is really a defensive C and Hart hasn’t shown any shooting ability here so far. We got away with this last few games because it’s a softer part of the schedule

After Drummond had to sit with his 3Rd foul, I thought that Sims-Hart lineup was really interesting. They controlled the paint on defense forcing Chicago to take perimeter shots and were able to grab a ton of offensive boards. That group kind of lacks offense but RJ was able to provide just enough of a boost for it to work. Not sure if Obi could do that in RJs minutes.

The lack of shooting at the 4 will eventually catch up once we face good teams.