martin wrote:

Clean wrote:We essentially had to trade our 11th pick and a bunch of 2nd round picks to get out of Kemba, Noel and Burks contracts.

I thought the trade was Kemba Noel Burks, ****-ton of second rounders for 3 protected first round picks with the added ability of cap space to cleanly sign Brunson/Hart.

Or do you think it was somewhere in between the two?

I might not be understanding your question but we had to trade our 1st round pick because if we drafted without dropping the contracts we did we would not have enough cap space to sign the free agents we wanted. The 11th pick is not great but it is better than the ones we got back. That was pretty apparent when Ainge who loves draft picks wanted nothing to do with the picks we got back during negotiations with the Jazz.

"We want Quickley and will give you X for him."
"I don't know, we like him a lot too. We'd need some additional picks on top of that."

Going on record, I'd trade Grimes before IQ. He's had growing pains, but has grown his game in several different ways over the last 2.25 years. He went through playmaking Bootcamp, coming out with legit PG skills. Now his rebounding and defense are garnering attention. Who would've guess that out of everything, it'd be his shooting that we'd be groaning about in year 3? Not worried about that as a long-term problem.

Just due diligence. Nobody on the roster is untradeable, but can't see the FO wanting to hit the reset button on 1st round steal.

KnickDanger wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:We essentially had to trade our 11th pick and a bunch of 2nd round picks to get out of Kemba, Noel and Burks contracts.

I thought the trade was Kemba Noel Burks, ****-ton of second rounders for 3 protected first round picks with the added ability of cap space to cleanly sign Brunson/Hart.

Or do you think it was somewhere in between the two?

I might not be understanding your question but we had to trade our 1st round pick because if we drafted without dropping the contracts we did we would not have enough cap space to sign the free agents we wanted. The 11th pick is not great but it is better than the ones we got back. That was pretty apparent when Ainge who loves draft picks wanted nothing to do with the picks we got back during negotiations with the Jazz.

I don't have the time to google all the trades at the moment, but the bolded is not based in any reality and just the lazy anti-Knick nonsense that came out of draft night. If anyone is interested look it up. But if you're going to criticize there's no need to make crap up or leave out the truth..

2023 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via New Orleans to Portland to Detroit to New York) [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/6/2022]

We also have too many incoming 2nd rounders to count, so we will have a lot of shots of grabbing EU or unscouted talent

We are +4 FRPs next few drafts with tons of 2nd rounders. They are shopping hard from every angle. Lebron or AD might shake free...

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franco12 wrote:if we are looking for an upgrade, who is likely to be sent out? IQ does make sense- but it doesn't make sense to trade BOTH IQ and Rose- who is going to be our back up PG?

I think you're probably going with a package of Obi, IQ, Fournier and draft picks. what comes back?

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Knixkik wrote:Trading quickley would be dumb as he can play 2 positions off the bench and has been elite defensively. Unless it’s for a star of course. He’s also close with Obi and others and the chemistry would get hurt if he was moved. Rose makes more sense if there’s a deal out there as grimes can logically fill in that rotation spot.

Agree. Do not trade IQ. Rose I could care less

franco12 wrote:if we are looking for an upgrade, who is likely to be sent out? IQ does make sense- but it doesn't make sense to trade BOTH IQ and Rose- who is going to be our back up PG?

I think you're probably going with a package of Obi, IQ, Fournier and draft picks. what comes back?

That is it. Thas is the question you start with. The question of who goes out comes afterwards.

The Knicks most need a player at the SG/SF position who can create his own shot from the perimeter and be a reliable 3 point bomber without being a liability on defense and without being turnover-prone. An All-Star, in other words. Such guys only become available when their current team has a logjam at their position or if they fall out with their existing team. Until one becomes available (like DM was), talking about who should be traded is a futile exercise, most appropriate for journalists trying to sell papers.

RJ was supposed to be this player for us. But whenever he tried to create his own shot, it ended up being a bad shot. He has moved away from that somewhat, but what does he have coming in return?

Fred, take it one level deeper and help us understand if NYKnicks players are also blocking out in the painted area at elevated rates to also help the IQ rebounding.

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The Knicks have been a bottom-10 defensive rebounding team to start the season, not what anyone should expect from a group with more brawn than finesse. Their top defensive rebounder right now is a bouncy, little guard. And their offense, which has gone in and out throughout the season, can be better off for it.

Say hello to Immanuel Quickley, your quick-twitching, loose-ball-chasing rebounding specialist who was in the news Friday after The Athletic’s Shams Charania reported that the Knicks “have shown a willingness to discuss” him in trade talks. But for now, Quickley remains — as does some of the best small-man rebounding in the league. Heading into Friday night’s match against the Golden State Warriors, Quickley was tied with Julius Randle for first on the Knicks in defensive boards per 36 minutes and defensive rebound rate.

Better than Mitchell Robinson. Better than Jericho Sims and Isaiah Hartenstein. Better than them all.

His 7.0 rebounds per 36 minutes are second-best among all non-big men in the NBA. Only the 6-foot-7 Luka Dončić averages more.

“I try to go get it, and it helps us start the break faster,” Quickley said. “(It) helps me be able to help teammates get easy buckets.”

It’s working.

The Knicks are seeing a similar payoff to what the Thunder did. New York is averaging an elite 1.22 points per possession on plays immediately following Quickley’s defensive rebounds, according to information tracked by Second Spectrum. For perspective, no offense in NBA history has averaged 1.22 points per possession for a season.

Swishfm3 wrote:I'll trade RJ Barrett before IQ

Back in 2019, My draft pick was D. Hunter but imagine if they drafted D. Garland instead. How different would this team be today?
I would imagine they still draft O. Topping the following year but instead of IQ, they maybe go with drafting D. Bane in the later rounds, eliminating the need to sign E. Fournier (who I actually like) that following Summer.

anyway....

You lost me at liking EF. EF makes me not like Scott Perry.