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BRIGGS
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11/18/2004  9:29 AM
day late and a dollar short brother. when you want something and you have a willing partner, you make thd deal. we had curry, but lost him when we turned down sweetney. you cant do this thing where a player has a good game, his value is off the market a player has a bad game and its back on the market. bottom line is cury is a 6-11 290 athletic C with skills. does he need work--yes, but he isnt that far away. actually i was shocked when i read that we turned them down. what a f mistake. who knows, maybe it will still happen. Play mike a lot tonight, the rockets have poor defensive PFs
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11/18/2004  9:31 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Number one Brad Miller is not going to be on the block. The Knicks missed out when he was there for the taking.

you sure about that? if SAC takes a nosedive this season, do you think they'll want to hold onto all that salary rather than breaking up the core & building back up w/youth? that team has been together longer than any other team in the NBA...i think they're about due for a major overhaul...part of that overhaul could involve Brad Miller if the right deal were on the table...i think having an Eddy Curry to use as a bargaining chip could give the Knicks a legitimate shot at him if he became available.

wow. Part of any overhaul of Sac would involve C-Webb, Christie, and whatever. Not Miller.

Miller's on the books for a longterm deal at big dollars...Webber or Christie aren't getting them any young franchise level players anytime soon.

anyway, some of you need to relax...i was just pointing the fact out that Curry's trade value would be better than Sweetney's if Isiah made the deal...not saying Isiah would be getting him only to trade him.
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11/18/2004  9:32 AM
Posted by MS:
But as good as I think Sweetney can be where are we going with him is the question and the answer is nowhere. If they can sign Curry to a reasonable deal, I would bring back Ewing as an Assistant coach, great move but Isiah would stick with Acguire because he has no brains.
How and why would Ewing be a better teacher for a low post player than Aguire?

It would be hard to argue with getting Curry. I'm curios to see what people like Islesfan who wanted to rebuild would have to say about that. You would have a center, guard and wing player that are 24,21 and 19.
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11/18/2004  9:56 AM
sweetney & moochie + $$$ for curry

i would like to get some sort of pick in return but it's tough to say no to a 21 year old center that has the potential to dominate even if it's sweetney we're shipping out.

man, that's one tough decision to make.
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11/18/2004  9:57 AM
Ewing has no idea what it takes to be a great center, he lacked all the major attributes

1.Nearly leading a team of role players to a championship, and almost beating Jordan on numerous occasions
2.Couldn't shoot from anywhere on the court
3.Never defended the goal.
4.Always gave you the least amount of effort possible

Are you seriously asking this question, Ewing came into the league with limited offensive skills, other than being athletic and turned himself into an automatic jump shooter.

He could teach this kid about what it takes to make it in this city, how lead a team, and never take plays off. Acquire had Thomas, Dumar, Microwave, Lambeer, Rodman, and you are telling me because he wins a couple he could be a better teacher. Bottom line you put Ewing on that team, he has 4 rings maybe 5. They win from 89-93
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11/18/2004  10:08 AM
just b/c someone is a great player doesn't translate into being a great coach. so far, we've heard from more than one player that aguirre has taught them well - j.o., al harrington, and now sweetney. jury is still out on ewing as a coach.

but to get back to the subject at hand...

i will say this. no matter how much i like sweets, if he stays, i don't know if him and curry would work well together in the starting lineup since both have post offenses. it's almost like sweets needs to play with the 2nd unit and we'll have to find an athletic 4 to complement curry's post offense.
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11/18/2004  10:08 AM
I don't know if I want to agree with you about this Ewing argument. He was here in D.C working with Haywood and Kwame, they didn't learn a damn thing from him. Teaching Curry should be Agwire's job. He is a relentless and non-passive coach unlike Ewing. Curry is the type that needs a drill sergeant to push him.

Posted by MS:

Ewing has no idea what it takes to be a great center, he lacked all the major attributes

1.Nearly leading a team of role players to a championship, and almost beating Jordan on numerous occasions
2.Couldn't shoot from anywhere on the court
3.Never defended the goal.
4.Always gave you the least amount of effort possible

Are you seriously asking this question, Ewing came into the league with limited offensive skills, other than being athletic and turned himself into an automatic jump shooter.

He could teach this kid about what it takes to make it in this city, how lead a team, and never take plays off. Acquire had Thomas, Dumar, Microwave, Lambeer, Rodman, and you are telling me because he wins a couple he could be a better teacher. Bottom line you put Ewing on that team, he has 4 rings maybe 5. They win from 89-93
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11/18/2004  10:11 AM
according to some chicago fans, kc johnson is looked at as a joke and has no credibility. paxson and reinsdorff both called him a liar before so take his article and isola's article with a grain of salt. it seems their source is their imaginary friend george glass.
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11/18/2004  10:29 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Curry would not be about this year. He is a 21 year old kid. The bulls have to decide about his future. This is why drafting high school kids and asking them to perform right away is a joke. This kid is no Lebron, and it takes years for boys to become mentally tough. The NBA is a high pressure business. Isiah with Trevor and curry might do well because he likes to mentor the youngins.

I like sweets alot, but if his value can bring about Curry, and his potential, then its a risk I would be willing to make. Can Chandler handle center for the bulls? Vin can play some backup PF for us when thomas needs a rest.

But this is not about his "STATS" or what he can bring this year.

I said over a year ago IF we ever make a run it would not be about the players on the roster back then, and this is another example.


Curry along side Kurt would be nice for now. Curry needs veteran leadership in his face, and be in a player environment. I hate to lose Sweets.

We would have to draft a PF, and in the short term hope TT can shake his "GAZE" until his contract is done and Ariza is ready.

Of course at this rate, Ariza would last 3 years with the knicks!

Nalod, you have been ont he money, I have been having this argument on realgm, guys who know nothing about basketball, will go look at the stats on NBA.com and say man curry had just 4 points and 1 rebound, man he sucks.. But these are the same guys who didn't watch the game and see how he took adonyle foyle on the blocks overpowered him and went up right over him, and foyle is no slouch, they don't see his agility, or touch around the hoop, they don't look at his surroundings and how the guys don't properly feed the post or wait until the shot clock runs down to dump the ball into chandler or curry to make a miracle shot in the post. I saw all of this over the past few bulls games.... And worst yet, they sit and compare numbers of guys like Hakeem when they were rookies to guys like curry's, that is just assinine!!

I am willing to take a shot with this talent, I know he has a ways to go, but the reward can be so great...
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11/18/2004  10:43 AM
Sweetney & Sundov would match Curry's current salary...the only concern is what happens when Curry becomes a RFA next year? would the Knicks own his bird rights & be able to match any offer he gets from another team?

a sign & trade is not an option now, is it?
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11/18/2004  11:00 AM
if we do somehow make a deal with chicago, we should add in FW's contract in the trade so they release him.
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11/18/2004  11:03 AM
The Knicks would have the same rights as if they had drafted him in the first place.

I think if Chicago is willing to make this trade... I'd say the Knicks should do it in a heartbeat.

It's not often you have an opportunity to grab a young center with dominant offensive skills. At this stage he isn't a dominant rebounder or seem to have innate shot blocking instincts, so that is worrisome-- who knows if these skills will ever develop. However, having a 285+lb 6'10" player w/ long arms in the post is preferable to the 6'8" alternative.

In any event, we're not talking about ready-made superstars with no holes in their games. They're similarly young, both have had some weight problems in the past... the difference is that Curry has been in the NBA for some time already...
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11/18/2004  11:16 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

if we do somehow make a deal with chicago, we should add in FW's contract in the trade so they release him.

How about Sweetney, TT, Moochie & $3 million for Curry, Antonio Davis & Frankie?
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11/18/2004  12:07 PM
not that it means much, but Clyde Frazier was just on the Michael Kay show & he said he'd make the deal...Kay is agreeing w/him right now.
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11/18/2004  12:35 PM
EC is not the only big man in this league. IMO we will lose someone special in Sweetney. Why can't we just wait until the off season. It not like we're gonna get EC and make a run for the Title. I've said it before in other threads, ever since IT has became the "King of NY" Knicks fans have lost their patients. We're not even 10 games into the season.
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11/18/2004  12:38 PM
how does one lose their "patience" by trading for a 21 year old 7 foot C who's still got huge upside potential?
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11/18/2004  12:49 PM
It's not just about the EC-Sweetney deal. We're even talking about trading KT, TT, Penny, and Nazr; even talking about getting rid of Lenny. Like I said, no one has patience since IT has be in NY. If anyone needs to be traded it should be TT. IMO trading Sweetney is not a good idea.
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11/18/2004  12:53 PM
Posted by deebo:

EC is not the only big man in this league. IMO we will lose someone special in Sweetney. Why can't we just wait until the off season. It not like we're gonna get EC and make a run for the Title. I've said it before in other threads, ever since IT has became the "King of NY" Knicks fans have lost their patients. We're not even 10 games into the season.

The best of a trade is when two teams win..A win-win. Think what does the bulls want? With sweets they get another year to evalutae. With curry, they can lose him if a team wants to pay big. You can always do a sign and trade (bulls) but you don't have ThAT many options. THey need to see if Chandler can handle to banging. THey would do better with KT short term, but the tandem of Chanderler-curry does not work for many reasons.

Bulls take TT? ONly if they think Deng is two years from emerging.

I say they should do the Sweets trade, and play him, Chandler, Gorden, Deng and Hinrich and just let them emerge. They are set for 10 years! If they want A vet, then take KT, and we take a bad contract from them. We always do that.

You gotta think what is best for the bulls to figure out what and why they would do it with us,or their other options.
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11/18/2004  1:04 PM
U have to make the trade if Bulls are willing to accept. Curry will end up leaving Bulls reguardless becuase in the end they aren't going to give him the money he wants.

Sweetney though he will become a very good NBA player in the future. He is only 21yrs old averaging 10-5 off the bench. Good PFs aren't hard to come by. Marbury could have the center he never had, Curry can have the superstar player/PG he never had. Plus Curry will be around vets not other highschoolers.

Curry/Muhammad
KT/Williams
TT/Ariza
Houston/Hardaway
Marbury/Crawford

could do damage in the playoffs plus we have our first rd pick to maybe add an athletic PF for the future to compliment Curry.
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11/18/2004  1:08 PM
Nalod, I agree with you to a certain point. I like Curry. He's young with alot of upside, and with Aguirre's direction could be someone special as well. But my point is, why lose someone that's young with alot of upside in Sweetney. Why not wait until the off season. We know what we have in Sweetney, but don't know what we'll get ourselves into with Curry. I know Centers don't come around as often as PFs do, but next off seasons Free Agents should look good like last year. Especially, since everyone is demanding trades now. I say finish the season, and then let IT get to work.
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