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martin wrote:I laughed at this one

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Lmao. Was watching him against the Hawks.
His "Barkley" stroke from three seems to have improved. Still over dribbling though. Athleticism just not enough to make up for lack of height and bad shot.
Still shows that there is always room for a quick PG somewhere.
Meanwhile his fraternal draft twin is still hurt in Dallas.

GustavBahler wrote:I see the 6th man role more about putting points on the board, when starters sit. The backup PG's job is playmaking to get the most out of the second unit. Sometimes its the PG, sometimes its someone else who plays the 6th man role.

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HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Good to see that Cam has earned the minutes he is getting.
Surprised about the minutes Rose is getting.
Is it because Rose is being brought around cautiously or Thibs prefers other rotations without him?
Randle has been busting his ass off. The loss of weight seems to be a real difference maker.
However, he looked gassed towards the end of the first and third quarters. Reason for a lot less movement on offense and settling for threes.
Would like to see Randle more around 28-30 a game.
Think Toppin needs to be close to 20. He has earned it and the pace is faster when he is in there.
Hart has been getting a lot of minutes. Mostly due to MR in foul trouble.
Would like to see Sims get some of those minutes. Really like Harts half court defense and decision making (Of course his GF too) but seems to be behind the pace in the second unit. Think Sims would keep up with the pace better and be a better fit in first unit if MR comes out early for fouls.
RJs minutes need to come down. Feel with Grimes back that will be the case. Hoping Cam still gets minutes despite Grimes being back. Would not mind if some of those minutes came from RJ. Still believe in RJ being the future but see no reason for him to get 35 plus. Especially if he doesn't have it going.
Feel EFs minutes are where they should be. As are Brunson's and the rest of the crew.
Think Thibs has done a good job handing them out and has also done a good job rewarding the right players for good play.
It will get tougher for Thibs once Grimes is back though.

Anyone unhappy with players run?

I think for Drose the plan is to get him through the season and be productive in April/ may. We are seeing the transition to Quickley as full time 6th man role in the meantime. That’s the goal as Rose is definitely not a long term fixture due to age. Quickley is likely viewed as a long term 6th man and will get an extension offer next summer reflecting market value for that.

IQ may have some competition from Grimes for that 6th man. If course, until Grimes allegedly takes over the starting role from EF.
Do agree, IQ is the long term commitment. Curious to see what that spells out to in dollars and length of contract.

The 6th man role is really a playmakers role. I don’t see grimes ever being that. He’s a true 3&D wing who will be a starter if he develops further. IQ seems pigeon holed into a 6th man role based on his combo guard skill set, for better or for worse.

Would agree that the sixth man needs to put up points. If you look at the winners of the 6th man Award, for the last 5 years, they all averaged close to 20ppg. Also feel the 6th man is someone who is basically a 6th starter. One who often finishes the game and plays most of the minutes. Most average close to 30mpg. Feel both Grimes and IQ can fill those requirements.

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martin wrote:I laughed at this one

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14/11. Looked good. Gladly, not good enough.

I have to take my comments with a side of crow

BigDaddyG wrote:

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martin wrote:I laughed at this one

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14/11. Looked good. Gladly, not good enough.

He looks in much better shape too. He woke up and realized what takes to stick in the league.

True. He has been in shape with us but the skill was not there. My take is he went into Steve Francis decline mode because he body changed. He got “Baron Davis/Marcus Smart” strong and lost some quickness as he went from teen to adult. At the same time his injuries stagnated him. Thus he had/has to find a median game type for this reality. he can’t fly thru the lane and get to the rim as he could at age 17. He was amazing in high school then. Had acl. That he has that freaky third tendon got him back early enough to have a good ACC season and demonstrated enough to get picked 9th. He was a top prospect prior.
Again, my take on what I have seen and read about his previous efforts. True, in shape matters. Covid Matters. His back mattered. I remember reading his trainer commenting that he was built like a running back with big legs and they had to get his body right.
On the flip side Frank at 24 body has not changed much. I have not seen him this season but he did not add much to his frame. different body type and of course skill set.
Then there is Malik Moonk and his range.

Funny, and think about this: If you combine the three bodies into one you get what? A 6-3 guard, strong, quick, power, with long arms you got who? Donovan Mitchell! Taken at the 14 pick!

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BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:I laughed at this one

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14/11. Looked good. Gladly, not good enough.

He looks in much better shape too. He woke up and realized what takes to stick in the league.

True. He has been in shape with us but the skill was not there. My take is he went into Steve Francis decline mode because he body changed. He got “Baron Davis/Marcus Smart” strong and lost some quickness as he went from teen to adult. At the same time his injuries stagnated him. Thus he had/has to find a median game type for this reality. he can’t fly thru the lane and get to the rim as he could at age 17. He was amazing in high school then. Had acl. That he has that freaky third tendon got him back early enough to have a good ACC season and demonstrated enough to get picked 9th. He was a top prospect prior.
Again, my take on what I have seen and read about his previous efforts. True, in shape matters. Covid Matters. His back mattered. I remember reading his trainer commenting that he was built like a running back with big legs and they had to get his body right.
On the flip side Frank at 24 body has not changed much. I have not seen him this season but he did not add much to his frame. different body type and of course skill set.
Then there is Malik Moonk and his range.

Funny, and think about this: If you combine the three bodies into one you get what? A 6-3 guard, strong, quick, power, with long arms you got who? Donovan Mitchell! Taken at the 14 pick!

Remember that year well. Spent most of my UK time arguing with Fishmike about Smith vs Frank. Thought DM would be a good pick because he had the defensive capability Phil was looking for but also the spark offensively I wanted. But then again, also thought Smith would be a best offensive player in the class. Also remember local papers talking up the DM NY connection.
I really just wanted shooting. Monk was one of my picks as well for that reason.

Think Smiths biggest problem is hitting an open shot and finishing around the rim. The latter was affected by his injury in college. He has always been able to penetrate and create for others. Problem when he was here is that no one could hit an open three and he was up against a fan favorite in Franky. Hopefully they both go on to improve and stay in the NBA. Saw an article where Smith said he would try to go to the NFL before he goes overseas. Reason for him bulking up.

Randle 39.5
Brunson 40
RJ 38

Obi 13
Rose 12
IQ 18

Would like to see
OBi at 18-20 on regular basis. Thought he deserves more in Wednesday.
IQ could have taken a few more from RJ
And Rose a few more for Brunson.

As mentioned, think Randle at 28-30 and Obi at 18-20 will result in better production from both.

HofstraBBall wrote:Minutes for Wednesday.

Randle 39.5
Brunson 40
RJ 38

Obi 13
Rose 12
IQ 18

Would like to see
OBi at 18-20 on regular basis. Thought he deserves more in Wednesday.
IQ could have taken a few more from RJ
And Rose a few more for Brunson.

As mentioned, think Randle at 28-30 and Obi at 18-20 will result in better production from both.

the way RJ is shooting, he should be on the bench.

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Minutes for Wednesday.

Randle 39.5
Brunson 40
RJ 38

Obi 13
Rose 12
IQ 18

Would like to see
OBi at 18-20 on regular basis. Thought he deserves more in Wednesday.
IQ could have taken a few more from RJ
And Rose a few more for Brunson.

As mentioned, think Randle at 28-30 and Obi at 18-20 will result in better production from both.

the way RJ is shooting, he should be on the bench.

36 minutes. Most on tram. Despite only going 3-14 before garbage time baskets.

Garbage time? I did not think Bucks pulles starters and knicks gave up. His little surge was with about 6min left and they got it to about 13 pts.