Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Agree with most of this. Will say Luka made Bullock look pretty, pretty good. I think the answer is staring at us. We need to sign Luka!

EwingsGlass wrote:Fournier's passing in the first unit has been solid. I think the look of the 4-1 offense is pretty good for the Knicks. All 4 can put the ball on the floor and pass. With MRob as a pogo stick 7 footer, there are a ton of opportunities. But - let's not overstate Fournier's role. Not sure what it is intended to mean that he is the X-Factor, but he is currently fourth ball handling option in a 4-1 offense. As much as I want to believe, i think he gets exposed against more athletic teams (like Toronto).

In games where he is unable to play good d, use Grimes or Cam. However, as the fourth option in the starting unit on offense he can make other teams suffer as well. Figure in a game versus Toronto RJ and Randall are cooking with JB and Evan open for outside shots and drives to the lane now Evans skill is the mismatch for the Toronto D. I know Evan is not a great defender but I think lots of so so defenders stay on the court if their offense is clicking

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

1) Luka got him a ton of open looks. Bullock cannot create his own shot.

2) he’s on the second year of a 3 year deal. You act like he’s making the league minimum yet he makes only $8 mil less than EF and has the same # of guaranteed years left if you count the Knicks team option on EF in 2024

Bullock wasn’t the only reason we lost to ATL but his inability to guard anyone and brick laying didn’t help. Sure, Bullock can guard JAGs during the regular season but he cannot guard anyone good. Yes, if Bullock is supposed to be a $10 mil a year 3 and D guy I expect semi-competent defense even against an all star

1) Agreed. Bullock is not Luka.

2) He is making less then the league median not minimum. The MLE is the exception amount teams can sign basically an average player for the average salary. He isn't expensive. Its probably his exact value for a 3&D SF that plays defense and stands at the 3 point line pulling his defensive assignment out of the paint. Its an archtype role. Others do it better. Doesn't make him low value. I think Win Shares vs Salary is a good assessment of the value of a player's contract.

Bullock created 3.2 win shares for 10mm last season.
Fournier created 3.7 win shares for 18mm last season.
Tim Hardaway Jr who made 16.5mm for 2 win shares.

My point is that Bullock isn't the problem. His salary isn't exorbitant. Its pretty much his market. He is a low usage player (13%) that plays his role. If the issue is that he isn't Luka, well, you win. And if I could have Luka at every position, I probably would. That doesn't mean there isn't room for role players in the league or that role players can't get paid the league average.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.

I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.

they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.

I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I'm hoping he plays well enough to get traded imho early in the season. If Fournier's shot isn't falling he's pretty useless. Can't win with players like that. Especially on a team that's not that talented or experienced.

the bold tells me you dont watch or you are just spouting. Fournier is not a good 1-1 defender, but he's not useless. He's very physical and has shown he can be a good team defender. He's also a complete offensive player. He can handle the ball, break down a defense 1-1, pass off the dribble, gets into the paint... I dont get why people **** on players because they arent their shiny favorites.

People also want to write him off like "he is what he is" but the growth that can still come from guys like Fournier (and should we trade him Randle) is chemistry. EF plays hard and works hard and his teammates like him. Expect to see him/RJ/Mitch/Jules level up together in terms of basic basketall chemistry. They can play better together and with a better PG surely will.

EF is a stop gap player. He's here to be supplanted by Grimes or whoever, but we dont have anything close to being as good as him at that position right now.

You don't pay $73M for a stop gap player. And I watch every game. I see a player who plays soft defensively (beaten off the dribble at will, doesn't rotate fast enough consistently, beaten back door for layup's, his man leaks out in transition) and doesn't contribute anything consistently if that shot isn't falling. I don't like players like him. Felt the same way about Tim Hardaway Jr. These are the worst type of vets and players to have on this type and level of team.

Literally no one thinks in terms of full contract $, that’s useless.

$18M a year for a floor spacer, specialist is still a little too much for me on this team. We could've/should've just brought back Bulloch at almost half the price and gotten better D but whatever.

Bullock is cheaper but he sucks. He can’t create his own shot and his defense is insanely overrated. Fournier was not a great signing either but he’s a better shooter and more dynamic scorer and he will be better this year especially with an actual pg on the roster.

Bullock literally cost us the Atl series because his offense is so bad they hid Trae on him every time. Fournier will abuse a smaller player like 5 different ways. He's an offensive threat from everywhere on the floor, he can handle the ball, he can set up teammates... yeah just like Reggie used to be like

Bullock got exposed badly in that playoff series and he does not have a cheap contract either

1) He shot 40% from 3 for the playoffs and helped Dallas to the Western Conference finals where they were beat by perhaps the best team of our generation. If getting exposed means that your 10mm role player couldn't contain an all star, well, I guess he got 'exposed'.
2) He makes 10mm a year which is below the MLE meaning it is below the median income of all players in the NBA.

People can blame Bullock for "sucking" but a team needs low usage high output players. The fact that he is solely a 3&D shouldn't be interpreted that he sucks, he is a role player. A lunch pail type that shows up and does his job.

The fact that we didn't actually have a healthy PG is the reason the Hawks could hide their PG on a SF hanging out a the 3 point line. Normally, him hanging at the 3 point line should have been pulling a Danilo Gallinari or Deandre Hunter out of the paint and spreading the floor. Its not Bullock that was flawed on that roster, it was the roster that was flawed.

As currently constructed, when we face ATL, I would expect ATL to put him on Fournier and I don't think Fournier can make them pay for that transgression with Dajaunte clamping Brunson. Fournier is more likely to put the ball on the floor, but I don't think Fournier has the foot speed to get around Trae. Atl is likely to be a bad matchup for us on many levels with two premier PGs in their starting lineup.

not really about blaming Bullock.. he is what he is. The point is there was weakness and they exploited it and we didnt seem to have an answer.

I'm turning that back on you. He wasn't the weakness, Payton and the PG position was. They could hide Trae on a 3&D because we didn't have a PG to make them pay for that.

they took away the only thing ELF could do, and you need wings who can make you pay for that. Reggie isnt that wing. Nice role player, got exposed. Both ELF and Bullock were weak links and known to be stop gap at best. Fournier is also but he's better.

they put the better defensive play on ELF because he could get into the paint. His whole game is based on getting into the paint. The problem for Atl now is it means you have to put Trae on another player. Where can they hide him? Bullock. If we had Fournier instead of Bullock in that series it would have totally changed because EF would score every time down the floor until they changed it.

Which multiverse you from? Elf played 8 minutes the first game. 5 the second and DNP the rest of the series. You have zero credibility trashing Bullock with imagined defense of Elf that didn’t even happen.

If we had Brendan Ingram instead of Bullock, yeah, we would have scored more points. But I don’t think the losses are on Bullock versus the deficiencies of the balance of the roster.