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10/2/2022  10:43 PM
The one thing I think has to happen is some kind of trade to up value our assets. Getting Cam was just that, recovering the value that Kevin Knox was without having to sign him.

We have a glut of likable, average above average rookies, vets, players on good contracts We can’t rotate 12 guys.

So is that Obi, Grimes IQ or Fournier or Rose, I have to imagine a deal get’s down this year.
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10/3/2022  7:31 AM
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SergioNYK wrote:I think Turner goes to PDX for Ayton.

Yeah I guess that still makes the most sense for both teams.

Correction on this: Indiana can’t trade for Ayton for 1 year.
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10/3/2022  11:02 AM
I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.
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10/3/2022  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2022  11:44 AM
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.
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10/3/2022  12:20 PM
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

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10/3/2022  1:19 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Agree with much of this. Think the leagues shift to the 3pt line has fogged the value of a 5 that can execute the PnR and shoot from 10-15 feet consistently. I have always liked a center that can run the PnR well and also pop off it to hit a jumper. Feel that is a hard thing to guard and also a play that goes well with a 2,3,4 that can hit the three at a decent click. Love MR but have been waiting for him to develop a decent 10 foot jumper. Seems like an off season dedicated to that would have at least produced some improvement year over year.

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10/3/2022  4:04 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.
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10/3/2022  4:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2022  4:29 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.

I think you all are forgetting that, while Mitch does not shoot from the outside, he is very athletic and runs to the rim very well. Thus, he pulls defenders to him on PnR. All you really need is a center that can do something off the pick (whether popping for a shot or rolling to the basket) to create space. Mitch’s biggest issue is hitting free throws, not hitting 15 footers.

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10/3/2022  9:57 PM
TheGame wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.

I think you all are forgetting that, while Mitch does not shoot from the outside, he is very athletic and runs to the rim very well. Thus, he pulls defenders to him on PnR. All you really need is a center that can do something off the pick (whether popping for a shot or rolling to the basket) to create space. Mitch’s biggest issue is hitting free throws, not hitting 15 footers.

Mitch does those things, but he can’t score outside of the paint, so his defender will always be within arms reach of brunson, Barrett or Randle when they get to the basket.
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10/4/2022  9:04 AM
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.

I think you all are forgetting that, while Mitch does not shoot from the outside, he is very athletic and runs to the rim very well. Thus, he pulls defenders to him on PnR. All you really need is a center that can do something off the pick (whether popping for a shot or rolling to the basket) to create space. Mitch’s biggest issue is hitting free throws, not hitting 15 footers.

Mitch does those things, but he can’t score outside of the paint, so his defender will always be within arms reach of brunson, Barrett or Randle when they get to the basket.

which is exactly why Mitch leads the planet in FG%... if you turn your back on him to help its a lob dunk. Like every time or an offensive rebound. The analytics dont lie and neither does the eye test. Turner is a very average offensive player. The only only argument is "but he's a rim protecting center"

What Mitch does on offensive is pretty impressive. He needs work and growth but he's got a role and impact there

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10/4/2022  10:16 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.

I think you all are forgetting that, while Mitch does not shoot from the outside, he is very athletic and runs to the rim very well. Thus, he pulls defenders to him on PnR. All you really need is a center that can do something off the pick (whether popping for a shot or rolling to the basket) to create space. Mitch’s biggest issue is hitting free throws, not hitting 15 footers.

Mitch does those things, but he can’t score outside of the paint, so his defender will always be within arms reach of brunson, Barrett or Randle when they get to the basket.

which is exactly why Mitch leads the planet in FG%... if you turn your back on him to help its a lob dunk. Like every time or an offensive rebound. The analytics dont lie and neither does the eye test. Turner is a very average offensive player. The only only argument is "but he's a rim protecting center"

What Mitch does on offensive is pretty impressive. He needs work and growth but he's got a role and impact there

If Mitch never becomes more versatile on offense that’s fine, as long as he improves his free throw shooting so he can stay on the court more when it matters.
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10/4/2022  1:33 PM
It looks like the Lakers are in a holding pattern for Turner. They are going to see if it can work with Russ before they pay the two picks for Turner and Hield. I say that to say if you want the Knicks to get Turner, root for the Lakers to look good this year.
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10/4/2022  2:25 PM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
TheGame wrote:I doubt we trade for Turner. In Mitch and Hart we have the perfect combination of a defensive center and an outside shooting and passing center, and we have both for about the same price as Turner will cost. I think the Knicks are in a better position with what we have now. No need for Turner unless we are also getting a 1st round pick.

I just worry about the spacing. If Hart became a starter than maybe. For spacing issues Turner and Ayton are much better fits with Randle, Barrett and Brunson. Ayton would need to prove he can anchor a defense though. But maybe I’m underrating that aspect. Yes Mitch and hart are a nice balance. It’s more about the fit in the starting lineup. Brunson, Randle and Barrett are still at their best in the paint and Mitch can’t step out. And hart might be able to shoot but it’s mostly theoretical. He hasn’t been a shooter to this point in his career. He’s made 18 threes in his 4 year career.

Guys like Ayton aren't real spacers. They are much better midrange threats than Mitch for sure, but Ayton doesn't shoot outside of 10-15 feet.

There are a ton of teams in this range... you don't need 5 perfectly capable 3point shooters to space. It definitely helps a ton if that big is a passer though.

Think Miami: Butler and Bam can't shoot from the outside.
Milwaulkee got Giannis.
Boston usually starts Robert Williams
Lakers with AD.
Memphis has Steve Adams/Brandon Clarke in the middle?

Yeah it doesn’t need to be someone consistently shooting threes you’re right. Just someone who can pull their defender out of the paint.

I think you all are forgetting that, while Mitch does not shoot from the outside, he is very athletic and runs to the rim very well. Thus, he pulls defenders to him on PnR. All you really need is a center that can do something off the pick (whether popping for a shot or rolling to the basket) to create space. Mitch’s biggest issue is hitting free throws, not hitting 15 footers.

Mitch does those things, but he can’t score outside of the paint, so his defender will always be within arms reach of brunson, Barrett or Randle when they get to the basket.

which is exactly why Mitch leads the planet in FG%... if you turn your back on him to help its a lob dunk. Like every time or an offensive rebound. The analytics dont lie and neither does the eye test. Turner is a very average offensive player. The only only argument is "but he's a rim protecting center"

What Mitch does on offensive is pretty impressive. He needs work and growth but he's got a role and impact there

If Mitch never becomes more versatile on offense that’s fine, as long as he improves his free throw shooting so he can stay on the court more when it matters.

If Mitch can learn to set a good screen and improve on the p-n-r I'd be happy and him and Brunson will be getting easy buckets. I don't really care if he ever shoots a mid range or 3 pt shot ever. Just keep dominating the glass young man.
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Pass on Turner. Significant foot injuries like that don’t go away. Rather have Mitch and Jericho
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Philc1 wrote:Pass on Turner. Significant foot injuries like that don’t go away. Rather have Mitch and Jericho Hart

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