martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:Panos wrote:I think its time to revive this thread.
While Brunson is out this is still true. When he was healthy, it was totally Brunson + Randle + IQ getting the wins, but now its a different story.
IQ + Hart + Hart + Deuce played most of the second half last night and they were NASTY.
the big question is if McBride ascends what do we do with our glut at guard?
PG Brunson/IQ/McBride/Rose
SG RJ/Grimes/JHart/FournierWe obviously play 3 guard sets and our size up front compensates, but improving this balance (and we have talent/players that are desirable)
We have Fournier/Rose expiring deals along with IQ/McBride/Grimes/RJ are potential pieces (assuming Brunson/JHart are staying)
Again, I don't consider RJ a SG, so I don't see a problem.
PG Brunson/McBride
SG Grimes/JHart
EF and Rose are perma-benched.
I dont want to see Grimes penciled in as a starter just yet. Part of IQs success was due in part IMO, to not being rushed into the starting lineup. No matter how much he might have helped, at least temporarily.
Grimes is on a different trajectory, and I have yet to be convinced that its the right one. Might benefit from learning from one of the better SGs in the league. If one becomes available somehow We would also get the scoring I believe we need from an SG.
Why?
Is Grimes still below some bench players in ppg? IDK
To me it hinges on Grimes developing a midrange game.
In consecutive years the Knicks have put both RJ and Grimes in a very deliberate position to learn to play defense against the very best starting guards and SF's in the league. I thought it has been beneficial to both and is invaluable in terms of development. IMO, for any young player - in terms of experience - that type of ask is really hard. I think both have taken on that task very nicely.
For me, within a development process, you want young players to do simple things and let them build on that. I don't think the phrase "Stand in the corner" has much meaning in the way I've seen it discussed; that's the starting point of spacing and should also include cuts and movement off of that where appropriate. Having Grimes, McBride, Obi start their process from that point is a good thing IMO. Cam was resistant to this, he wanted to do the fancy stuff before he even got past first base, and as any good MILF including Stifler's mom will tell a 20yo, start at first and work your way around bases.
I don't know what value Grimes' PPG compared to any bench player has. I don't know why a mid range game would define what any player is doing when we know every team from an analytical standpoint is emphasis rim and 3point shots. I get that it'll add something but that's not within the playbook for him right now.
First off Martin, we know what the bolded is all about. Please let it go, Rebecca is happy with Wally. Take comfort in that. Before it tears you apart!!

Grimes needed more work on his offense before he went against starting defenses IMO. RJ showed enough offense from day one to learn on the job. Dont believe Grimes has yet to show it.
A midrange game is important because (from my experience) its easier to slow a player down, when you know there are spots on the court you dont have to worry about.
If they're cut off on a drive, no clear path. The player has to give up the ball or reset. A midrange game allows for more improvisation. Just have to look at IQ's game to see the benefit of being less predictable.