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This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

Do you think it's good to play one of either Obi or Randle out of position? Do you think either is a good defender or help defender?

One of those 2 now has to play an entirely different position, ie learn where to be and how to do the 5 in that rotation.

Do you think that's a good path forward?

When you have a small ball rotation that seems to suck, you don't just play it for funsies.

Again, you are missing the entire point. You are stuck on Randle and Obi. I am using that topic as a way to point at Thibs major flaw. His inability to try something new. Us not knowing if they can work together when other team play small ball is a huge problem. How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it. Wouldn't they also have to build chemistry since they never play with each other? You said it was a small sample size. Do you not think they need time to figure out what their roles would be when playing with each other? That could mean they might get even better with more time.

There was a point last year when our starting 5 was like bottom 5 lineups in the league and they plays one of the highest minutes together. Do you not see a problem with that? We kept playing that instead of trying new stuff when it was obvious that group did not work. There is a reason why in another thread I said I will be paying attention to how Thibs treats preseason this year. If he does like last year where all the vets play heavy minutes in the same static rotation he will use during the season then we are in for more of the same as last year. If he actually uses preseason to experiment with different lineups then he might actually be open to change and actually finding out the best combination of players.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

Do you think it's good to play one of either Obi or Randle out of position? Do you think either is a good defender or help defender?

One of those 2 now has to play an entirely different position, ie learn where to be and how to do the 5 in that rotation.

Do you think that's a good path forward?

When you have a small ball rotation that seems to suck, you don't just play it for funsies.

Again, you are missing the entire point. You are stuck on Randle and Obi. I am using that topic as a way to point at Thibs major flaw. His inability to try something new. Us not knowing if they can work together when other team play small ball is a huge problem. How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it. Wouldn't they also have to build chemistry since they never play with each other? You said it was a small sample size. Do you not think they need time to figure out what their roles would be when playing with each other? That could mean they might get even better with more time.

There was a point last year when our starting 5 was like bottom 5 lineups in the league and they plays one of the highest minutes together. Do you not see a problem with that? We kept playing that instead of trying new stuff when it was obvious that group did not work. There is a reason why in another thread I said I will be paying attention to how Thibs treats preseason this year. If he does like last year where all the vets play heavy minutes in the same static rotation he will use during the season then we are in for more of the same as last year. If he actually uses preseason to experiment with different lineups then he might actually be open to change and actually finding out the best combination of players.

I’ll use your own words, feel free to answer any of my questions.

Clean wrote:Notice he never answered that question.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

Do you think it's good to play one of either Obi or Randle out of position? Do you think either is a good defender or help defender?

One of those 2 now has to play an entirely different position, ie learn where to be and how to do the 5 in that rotation.

Do you think that's a good path forward?

When you have a small ball rotation that seems to suck, you don't just play it for funsies.

Again, you are missing the entire point. You are stuck on Randle and Obi. I am using that topic as a way to point at Thibs major flaw. His inability to try something new. Us not knowing if they can work together when other team play small ball is a huge problem. How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it. Wouldn't they also have to build chemistry since they never play with each other? You said it was a small sample size. Do you not think they need time to figure out what their roles would be when playing with each other? That could mean they might get even better with more time.

There was a point last year when our starting 5 was like bottom 5 lineups in the league and they plays one of the highest minutes together. Do you not see a problem with that? We kept playing that instead of trying new stuff when it was obvious that group did not work. There is a reason why in another thread I said I will be paying attention to how Thibs treats preseason this year. If he does like last year where all the vets play heavy minutes in the same static rotation he will use during the season then we are in for more of the same as last year. If he actually uses preseason to experiment with different lineups then he might actually be open to change and actually finding out the best combination of players.

I’ll use your own words, feel free to answer any of my questions.

Clean wrote:Notice he never answered that question.

I did answer your questions.

"How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it." = I have no clue because Thibs does not give us much to go off of. Will that lineup work vs every team? probably not. Can if work against teams who go small vs us? maybe but we have no idea because they are almost never play with each other or even given enough time to figure out their roles when they do play with each other.

Just because I don't single out a question and directly answer it right after separating it does not mean I never answered your question.

I am sure Thibs thinks the same btw

Trying new stuff just to see if it works in this NBA rotation context is not good strategy.

You don’t throw stiff against a wall just to see if it sticks

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

Do you think it's good to play one of either Obi or Randle out of position? Do you think either is a good defender or help defender?

One of those 2 now has to play an entirely different position, ie learn where to be and how to do the 5 in that rotation.

Do you think that's a good path forward?

When you have a small ball rotation that seems to suck, you don't just play it for funsies.

Again, you are missing the entire point. You are stuck on Randle and Obi. I am using that topic as a way to point at Thibs major flaw. His inability to try something new. Us not knowing if they can work together when other team play small ball is a huge problem. How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it. Wouldn't they also have to build chemistry since they never play with each other? You said it was a small sample size. Do you not think they need time to figure out what their roles would be when playing with each other? That could mean they might get even better with more time.

There was a point last year when our starting 5 was like bottom 5 lineups in the league and they plays one of the highest minutes together. Do you not see a problem with that? We kept playing that instead of trying new stuff when it was obvious that group did not work. There is a reason why in another thread I said I will be paying attention to how Thibs treats preseason this year. If he does like last year where all the vets play heavy minutes in the same static rotation he will use during the season then we are in for more of the same as last year. If he actually uses preseason to experiment with different lineups then he might actually be open to change and actually finding out the best combination of players.

I’ll use your own words, feel free to answer any of my questions.

Clean wrote:Notice he never answered that question.

I did answer your questions.

"How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it." = I have no clue because Thibs does not give us much to go off of. Will that lineup work vs every team? probably not. Can if work against teams who go small vs us? maybe but we have no idea because they are almost never play with each other or even given enough time to figure out their roles when they do play with each other.

Just because I don't single out a question and directly answer it right after separating it does not mean I never answered your question.

I am sure Thibs thinks the same btw

Trying new stuff just to see if it works in this NBA rotation context is not good strategy.

You don’t throw stiff against a wall just to see if it sticks

There is why we will never agree on this topic then. I agree with the Ty Lue way of coaching where he tries things and go with what works. You agree with the Thibs way of coaching of trying the same thing no matter how badly it goes. We will just have to agree to disagree then. Its cool because not everyone will see things the same way.

Thibs has a set way of doing things. Banging your head against a wall expecting something different won’t get you anywhere. It’s worthless complaining IMO

Comparing 2 coaches with teams that are in vastly different spots - both in terms of roster and playoffs expectations - with their respective teams is not worthwhile IMHO, apples and oranges.

You will continue to be frustrated. Have at it I guess?

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1575555075774234624

This happened because Knicks twitter went at the Media for always wanting access but never challenging Thibs when he throws out BS numbers. Today one of them threw the real numbers in his face that contradict what he was saying for the longest and now its not longer about numbers but watching the games and picking and choosing which game the numbers count. I don't know if this is the full context of the video but if it is then this might be a problem again the whole season.

Edit: I also think the person who caused this was Tommy Beer. SO while some of you like to make fun of his stat picking he is the only media member to ask real follow up questions. You have to give him credit for that.

Obi and Randle played 101 minutes together last year. It's an incredibly small sample size.

Are these the numbers that are thrown in Thib's face? The fact that they were a +8 in those minutes? https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/traditional?slug=traditional&GroupQuantity=2&TeamID=1610612752&PerMode=Totals

For me, this whole thing is all very stupid.

Neither Obi or Randle are good defenders. Neither is a good help defender. Neither shot very well from deep last year.

Let's play them together? Does this even make sense when you take a step back?

I get the want to see Obi get more playing time but putting those 2 on the court at the same time doesn't even get past the smell test for me.

The perfect thing you said is that it is an incredibly small sample size. That is Thibs fault and was my main problem with him last year. He would rather stick with something that we all know is not working than try something different. I am not even fighting for this lineup change and saying it will work. I am saying try something new rather than the same trash lineups that failed all year. Thibs said many times that the numbers show it does not work. Well if they have a positive net rating that is a good thing no matter how small the sample is. The reporter asked him what numbers he was using. Notice he never answered that question. The reason for that is because he was never using any numbers. It was a way to ignore the topic because reporters never ask good follow up questions. Thibs had a preseason last year to try different combinations of players to see what works. He did not do that and picked a rotation and stuck to it like it was the regular season. That is a microcosm of how he treated the whole year until post all star break.

Do you think it's good to play one of either Obi or Randle out of position? Do you think either is a good defender or help defender?

One of those 2 now has to play an entirely different position, ie learn where to be and how to do the 5 in that rotation.

Do you think that's a good path forward?

When you have a small ball rotation that seems to suck, you don't just play it for funsies.

Again, you are missing the entire point. You are stuck on Randle and Obi. I am using that topic as a way to point at Thibs major flaw. His inability to try something new. Us not knowing if they can work together when other team play small ball is a huge problem. How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it. Wouldn't they also have to build chemistry since they never play with each other? You said it was a small sample size. Do you not think they need time to figure out what their roles would be when playing with each other? That could mean they might get even better with more time.

There was a point last year when our starting 5 was like bottom 5 lineups in the league and they plays one of the highest minutes together. Do you not see a problem with that? We kept playing that instead of trying new stuff when it was obvious that group did not work. There is a reason why in another thread I said I will be paying attention to how Thibs treats preseason this year. If he does like last year where all the vets play heavy minutes in the same static rotation he will use during the season then we are in for more of the same as last year. If he actually uses preseason to experiment with different lineups then he might actually be open to change and actually finding out the best combination of players.

I’ll use your own words, feel free to answer any of my questions.

Clean wrote:Notice he never answered that question.

I did answer your questions.

"How can anyone know how they will do if Thibs almost never tries it." = I have no clue because Thibs does not give us much to go off of. Will that lineup work vs every team? probably not. Can if work against teams who go small vs us? maybe but we have no idea because they are almost never play with each other or even given enough time to figure out their roles when they do play with each other.

Just because I don't single out a question and directly answer it right after separating it does not mean I never answered your question.

I am sure Thibs thinks the same btw

Trying new stuff just to see if it works in this NBA rotation context is not good strategy.

You don’t throw stiff against a wall just to see if it sticks

There is why we will never agree on this topic then. I agree with the Ty Lue way of coaching where he tries things and go with what works. You agree with the Thibs way of coaching of trying the same thing no matter how badly it goes. We will just have to agree to disagree then. Its cool because not everyone will see things the same way.

Thibs has a set way of doing things. Banging your head against a wall expecting something different won’t get you anywhere. It’s worthless complaining IMO

Comparing 2 coaches with teams that are in vastly different spots - both in terms of roster and playoffs expectations - with their respective teams is not worthwhile IMHO, apples and oranges.

You will continue to be frustrated. Have at it I guess?

You made an assumption. Who said I am frustrated? I am in a wait and see pattern. Like I said before I am waiting to see what he does during the preseason. I agreed with his stance on the Evan and Grimes topic so I stated as much. I disagree with his stance on not trying new things so I state that to.

We are not comparing the coaches teams. We are comparing their coaching philosophies. If Ty Lue coaches the Knicks he would not suddenly coach like Thibs. If Thibs coaches the Clippers he would not suddenly be open to experimenting with lineups. So I don't understand why you think this is apples to oranges.

You have. Repeatedly all last season. Same story