Kemet wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:This is the season to let OBi, IQ And Cam play , the knick FO as well as the rest of the NBA together with the fans needs to see if these guys are NBA players or not. I hope Thibs can find a way to reduce the minutes of Randle and Fournier. I hope the FO can convince Thibs to do that as a way to preserve both players for the latter part of the season. 😜 i think the Knicks have a good young core, knicks fans are just eager to see them get minutes

I already see ....
The D.Rose, Quickley, Cam, Toppin, and Hart lineup consistently outperforming the Knicks starter lineup !!!

Who are your starting SG Kemet? Fournier or Grimes? If Fournier is your starter it won't be hard to see the 2nd unit out performing the starters but where is the minutes for Grimes?

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Chances are the knicks will parade this current roster when opening night arrives. Ian Bagley released an article talking about possible starters. It seems like the possible starting roster he wrote about is more of his opinion and not an actual idea proposed by the front office or Thibs. Or is it?

Reports came out that Cam was working out with the knicks most of the summer and is in great shape. Its also said that just like in previous training camps Thibs will look at the players with a clean slate. Bagley mentioned a possible SG starter will be Grimes, which has been previously floated. But what caught my attention was the possibility if Cam starting at the SF and RJ at the SG. Is this actually a possibility? I really like it but it seems like it will create more roster problems for the second unit, who will take Cam's place and ride the bench? Fournier, he has a huge contract. IQ? Reports came out he is expected to have a bigger role this year. Grimes? I doubt it, he was an untouchable player in the Mitchell trade talks.

I really got excited thinking about the possibility of Cam starting but i cant see the logic how it could work for the rest of the rotation.

Brunson/Rose/McBride/Arcidiacono
Barrett/IQ/Grimes/Keels
Reddish/Fournier/Hunt/Svi
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hart/Sims

I like the size and defensive look from this lineup BBRRR. I love Reddish. He would have to have an amazing camp to walk away with the starting position.

If Cam got the starting nod, Rose/IQ/Grimes/Fournier definitely clustered for minutes if Barrett is taking SG minutes. Better to be undersized at SF in the second unit though. My guess is that McBride and Grimes are still at the short end of the stick, but the Fournier/Grimes/Reddish fight for minutes is the talk of camp.

All this said, Reddish coming into camp able to compete for the starting SF would be the best thing that could happen to the Knicks.

It all depends on 3 point shooting. Teams will crowd the paint and let RJ Randle and Cam fire away from 3 point land if those 3 start. It will take a long time before teams move away from that plan. With Fournier, at least you have to respect his 3 point shot. Defensively that team of BBRRR could crush it.

I can't change Barrett and Randle - if their 3pt percentages are anything like 20-21, they are a tough team. If like 21-22, you can pack the paint.

Cam interests me cause he shot 37% with ATL in limited minutes before the trade. He has consistently shot 90% from FT every year of his career. High FT% generally correlates well to high 3pt percentage. I think you get a guy like Cam comfortable, he's a 37-42% 3 point shooter with a 7'2 wingspan that is used to taking the tougher defensive assignments. I was pushing for a Cam trade before last season. Guy needs some opportunities.

Fournier could be put to more use in the second unit and could get more looks as a secondary ball handler, depending who else is on the floor.

This post got me thinking about having Cam slip into Bullock's old role as a 3 and D guy. Cam probably expected to be a star creator when he came into the league, but hopefully he can realize that the NBA is about finding your role. I thought about the rest of the roster and I think there's something there.

Mitch is a better Noel
Brunson a better Payton
Cam a better Bullock
Fournier a better Burks (maybe?)
Hart a better Gibson (maybe?)
RJ IQ Randle and Obi are there better selves and Rose is still the man.
Grimes is the odd man out here but he still has years left on his contract and hopefully he can be the 11th man when injuries hit.

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Chances are the knicks will parade this current roster when opening night arrives. Ian Bagley released an article talking about possible starters. It seems like the possible starting roster he wrote about is more of his opinion and not an actual idea proposed by the front office or Thibs. Or is it?

Reports came out that Cam was working out with the knicks most of the summer and is in great shape. Its also said that just like in previous training camps Thibs will look at the players with a clean slate. Bagley mentioned a possible SG starter will be Grimes, which has been previously floated. But what caught my attention was the possibility if Cam starting at the SF and RJ at the SG. Is this actually a possibility? I really like it but it seems like it will create more roster problems for the second unit, who will take Cam's place and ride the bench? Fournier, he has a huge contract. IQ? Reports came out he is expected to have a bigger role this year. Grimes? I doubt it, he was an untouchable player in the Mitchell trade talks.

I really got excited thinking about the possibility of Cam starting but i cant see the logic how it could work for the rest of the rotation.

Brunson/Rose/McBride/Arcidiacono
Barrett/IQ/Grimes/Keels
Reddish/Fournier/Hunt/Svi
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hart/Sims

I like the size and defensive look from this lineup BBRRR. I love Reddish. He would have to have an amazing camp to walk away with the starting position.

If Cam got the starting nod, Rose/IQ/Grimes/Fournier definitely clustered for minutes if Barrett is taking SG minutes. Better to be undersized at SF in the second unit though. My guess is that McBride and Grimes are still at the short end of the stick, but the Fournier/Grimes/Reddish fight for minutes is the talk of camp.

All this said, Reddish coming into camp able to compete for the starting SF would be the best thing that could happen to the Knicks.

It all depends on 3 point shooting. Teams will crowd the paint and let RJ Randle and Cam fire away from 3 point land if those 3 start. It will take a long time before teams move away from that plan. With Fournier, at least you have to respect his 3 point shot. Defensively that team of BBRRR could crush it.

I can't change Barrett and Randle - if their 3pt percentages are anything like 20-21, they are a tough team. If like 21-22, you can pack the paint.

Cam interests me cause he shot 37% with ATL in limited minutes before the trade. He has consistently shot 90% from FT every year of his career. High FT% generally correlates well to high 3pt percentage. I think you get a guy like Cam comfortable, he's a 37-42% 3 point shooter with a 7'2 wingspan that is used to taking the tougher defensive assignments. I was pushing for a Cam trade before last season. Guy needs some opportunities.

Fournier could be put to more use in the second unit and could get more looks as a secondary ball handler, depending who else is on the floor.

This post got me thinking about having Cam slip into Bullock's old role as a 3 and D guy. Cam probably expected to be a star creator when he came into the league, but hopefully he can realize that the NBA is about finding your role. I thought about the rest of the roster and I think there's something there.

Mitch is a better Noel
Brunson a better Payton
Cam a better Bullock
Fournier a better Burks (maybe?)
Hart a better Gibson (maybe?)
RJ IQ Randle and Obi are there better selves and Rose is still the man.
Grimes is the odd man out here but he still has years left on his contract and hopefully he can be the 11th man when injuries hit.

You think Grimes is the Odd man out?

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gradyandrew wrote:

You think Grimes is the Odd man out?

I guess? I don't think Thibs plays 11 guys. Brunson and RJ are gonna play, Randle and Obi, Mitch and Hart.In that Cam IQ Rose Fournier Grimes group you have to figure one of them won't be part of the rotation.

One thing I've slowly realized is that injuries are just as much a part of the game as missed shots. The only freak aspect of it is who and how long. So it might not even be an issue over the course of the season. Likely, someone will always be out.

Based on observations from last year and the summer would lead me to believe that Thibs is leaning towards and increased reliance on Grimes. We will see, but IMO unless Cam comes into camp and wows ....he will be #11 in the rotation. Of course as you point out injuries can change things....or trades.

foosballnick wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

You think Grimes is the Odd man out?

I guess? I don't think Thibs plays 11 guys. Brunson and RJ are gonna play, Randle and Obi, Mitch and Hart.In that Cam IQ Rose Fournier Grimes group you have to figure one of them won't be part of the rotation.

One thing I've slowly realized is that injuries are just as much a part of the game as missed shots. The only freak aspect of it is who and how long. So it might not even be an issue over the course of the season. Likely, someone will always be out.

Based on observations from last year and the summer would lead me to believe that Thibs is leaning towards and increased reliance on Grimes. We will see, but IMO unless Cam comes into camp and wows ....he will be #11 in the rotation. Of course as you point out injuries can change things....or trades.

Cam won’t be in the rotation until injuries start happening. With him on the perimeter and Mitch in the paint that lineup is excellent defensively