TheGame wrote:Trading Rose to a contender at the deadline will result in another pick us. The best case scenario is Brunson takes the reins of the offense and looks good and then Quickley continues to improve as a PG. That allows us to trade Rose at the deadline and opens minutes for Quickley and Grimes.

While that is possible, I think, even if out of the play off race, we need a veteran presence like Rose more than we need another late first round pick. We have too many picks, we couldn’t keep them all if we wanted, I think there is limits to what we can do with them to move up in a draft.

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Trading Rose to a contender at the deadline will result in another pick us. The best case scenario is Brunson takes the reins of the offense and looks good and then Quickley continues to improve as a PG. That allows us to trade Rose at the deadline and opens minutes for Quickley and Grimes.

While that is possible, I think, even if out of the play off race, we need a veteran presence like Rose more than we need another late first round pick. We have too many picks, we couldn’t keep them all if we wanted, I think there is limits to what we can do with them to move up in a draft.

Agree that Rose is valuable in other regards. Can be what Taj was for us.
Don't think the fan base will agree we have too many picks though. Many will point to the fact that a couple more picks would have helped get DM here.

TheGame wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Trading Rose to a contender at the deadline will result in another pick us. The best case scenario is Brunson takes the reins of the offense and looks good and then Quickley continues to improve as a PG. That allows us to trade Rose at the deadline and opens minutes for Quickley and Grimes.

While that is possible, I think, even if out of the play off race, we need a veteran presence like Rose more than we need another late first round pick. We have too many picks, we couldn’t keep them all if we wanted, I think there is limits to what we can do with them to move up in a draft.

That is what we signed Brunson for to be a vet and leader. I am not opposed to Rose staying but you also have to factor in opportunity costs. Is Rose really going to be here past this season? If not, then get a pick for him.

this front office has found ways to get draft picks out of thin air. Brunson isn't a vet- he is 26. What is the opportunity cost? I see quite the opposite.

Rose got this team to the play offs. You are going to replace him with what, a draft pick?

With Brunson, we're improved, but still thin at the PG position. If Brunson gets hurt, what is your plan? IQ and McBride? That would be a horrible plan.

If we're trading anyone, it should be RJ!

TheGame wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Trading Rose to a contender at the deadline will result in another pick us. The best case scenario is Brunson takes the reins of the offense and looks good and then Quickley continues to improve as a PG. That allows us to trade Rose at the deadline and opens minutes for Quickley and Grimes.

While that is possible, I think, even if out of the play off race, we need a veteran presence like Rose more than we need another late first round pick. We have too many picks, we couldn’t keep them all if we wanted, I think there is limits to what we can do with them to move up in a draft.

That is what we signed Brunson for to be a vet and leader. I am not opposed to Rose staying but you also have to factor in opportunity costs. Is Rose really going to be here past this season? If not, then get a pick for him.

this front office has found ways to get draft picks out of thin air. Brunson isn't a vet- he is 26. What is the opportunity cost? I see quite the opposite.

Rose got this team to the play offs. You are going to replace him with what, a draft pick?

With Brunson, we're improved, but still thin at the PG position. If Brunson gets hurt, what is your plan? IQ and McBride? That would be a horrible plan.

If we're trading anyone, it should be RJ!

The issue is Quickley and Grimes need playing time. If Brunson is your starter and Fournier is still on the team, then that does not leave big minutes for Grimes and Quickley. Brunson is a vet. The guy has won two college championships, led his team to a conference finals, and has been surrounded by NBA basketball his entire life. I am not saying Rose is not a quality player/mentor but at some point we have to give 25+ minutes to Quickley and Grimes. That is tough to do with Rose on the team if he stays healthy, and Rose is probably easier to trade than Fournier (one fewer year on his contract). Unless the Knicks plan to exercise the third year team option on Rose, it makes more sense to trade him at the deadline for a pick. You can never have too many picks.

Think you might be making too much of it. IMO retaining D. Rose will most significantly impact Deuce and Cam. Based on their demonstrated skillsets and flexibility - IQ and Grimes should be fine - even if they don't manage to get 25 mpg. You want as many "leaders by example" on a young team as possible.

SupremeCommander wrote:this team is better with Rose playing at the end of each half. I hope he wants no more than that. Frankly (no, not him), I think I would be okay with a 1-3 of Rose, Brunson, RJ at the end of a game. Clearly won't work for every situation, but I think there would eb a lot of long term value to Brunson riding shotgun to Rose

I think Brunson/Rose/IQ are going to be a real strength for us

TheGame wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Trading Rose to a contender at the deadline will result in another pick us. The best case scenario is Brunson takes the reins of the offense and looks good and then Quickley continues to improve as a PG. That allows us to trade Rose at the deadline and opens minutes for Quickley and Grimes.

While that is possible, I think, even if out of the play off race, we need a veteran presence like Rose more than we need another late first round pick. We have too many picks, we couldn’t keep them all if we wanted, I think there is limits to what we can do with them to move up in a draft.

That is what we signed Brunson for to be a vet and leader. I am not opposed to Rose staying but you also have to factor in opportunity costs. Is Rose really going to be here past this season? If not, then get a pick for him.

That ship sailed. He’s here now for what is possibly the last year of his career. I can tolerate him as a backup though I prefer Quickley as the backup pg

SergioNYK wrote:An injury prone vet like Rose getting big minutes on a 40 win team makes no sense.

Veterans D.Rose & Taj Gibson leadership gave the Knicks rotation the confidence to be a 4th seeded team in the East.
Brunson's young talent will need the veteran-ship of D.Rose throughout the 82 game seasons to have consistent success on the Knicks.
D.Rose 20 to 24 minutes performance creates wins !!!