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This guy is always on point.

I think those trade happen in season. They got to wait for teams to give up and decide to tank to get something good. Anyhow at this point they might as well let everyone go to camp and fight it out. It might put a chip on their collective shoulders.

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Im disappointed that the knicks lost out on Mitchell but im happy the knicks averted another melo type trade living the team in limbo.

Will the FO pivot or is this the team that will fight next season? I wish they find a way to unload Randle and Fournier. I will be pissed if Fournier will see major minutes and be a started relagating Grimes to the bench. They wouldn't let go of grimes in a trade but wont let him have a major role? I hope there are still some minor moves to come. What could that be?

We need to stop with the melo trade narrative. The Knicks gave up hardly anything. A 1st round pick, a pick swap and a couple of players who didn’t amount to much. It was everything that followed that was the issue. That deal was a steal compared to todays price of a star. But that being said the Knicks have a lot of pressure now to deliver with their young guys. This was a major miss regardless of price because it was there for the taking. Now the Knicks must prove they held onto these guys for a reason.

The narrative around the Melo trade is so ignorant. We gave up an ok wing player in Gallo, picks and two scrubs Mozgov and Wilson Chandler

Not to overly defend but Wilson Chandler gave us some good minutes and played solid defense... when he was healthy. WC and Gallo also had much better chemistry with Amare compared to Melo.

Adding DM to Brunson would have been just like Melo and Amare - great talents but a poor pairing.

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Im disappointed that the knicks lost out on Mitchell but im happy the knicks averted another melo type trade living the team in limbo.

Will the FO pivot or is this the team that will fight next season? I wish they find a way to unload Randle and Fournier. I will be pissed if Fournier will see major minutes and be a started relagating Grimes to the bench. They wouldn't let go of grimes in a trade but wont let him have a major role? I hope there are still some minor moves to come. What could that be?

We need to stop with the melo trade narrative. The Knicks gave up hardly anything. A 1st round pick, a pick swap and a couple of players who didn’t amount to much. It was everything that followed that was the issue. That deal was a steal compared to todays price of a star. But that being said the Knicks have a lot of pressure now to deliver with their young guys. This was a major miss regardless of price because it was there for the taking. Now the Knicks must prove they held onto these guys for a reason.

The narrative around the Melo trade is so ignorant. We gave up an ok wing player in Gallo, picks and two scrubs Mozgov and Wilson Chandler

Not to overly defend but Wilson Chandler gave us some good minutes and played solid defense... when he was healthy. WC and Gallo also had much better chemistry with Amare compared to Melo.

Adding DM to Brunson would have been just like Melo and Amare - great talents but a poor pairing.

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KnickDanger wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Im disappointed that the knicks lost out on Mitchell but im happy the knicks averted another melo type trade living the team in limbo.

Will the FO pivot or is this the team that will fight next season? I wish they find a way to unload Randle and Fournier. I will be pissed if Fournier will see major minutes and be a started relagating Grimes to the bench. They wouldn't let go of grimes in a trade but wont let him have a major role? I hope there are still some minor moves to come. What could that be?

We need to stop with the melo trade narrative. The Knicks gave up hardly anything. A 1st round pick, a pick swap and a couple of players who didn’t amount to much. It was everything that followed that was the issue. That deal was a steal compared to todays price of a star. But that being said the Knicks have a lot of pressure now to deliver with their young guys. This was a major miss regardless of price because it was there for the taking. Now the Knicks must prove they held onto these guys for a reason.

The narrative around the Melo trade is so ignorant. We gave up an ok wing player in Gallo, picks and two scrubs Mozgov and Wilson Chandler

Not to overly defend but Wilson Chandler gave us some good minutes and played solid defense... when he was healthy. WC and Gallo also had much better chemistry with Amare compared to Melo.

Adding DM to Brunson would have been just like Melo and Amare - great talents but a poor pairing.

Notwithstanding my thoughts on the Melo trade and era, in the proposed Knick/Jazz scenario you’d be giving up more for a lesser player.

Because Melo was able to opt out at seasons end and thus was able to dictate his desired city.
DM has three years left. DM has years ahead of his career where Melo had already played 7 and proven his stardom in Denver. DM a three time allstar. Melo was a NCAA legend having lead ‘Cuse to its only hoop chip and taken after Lebron. DM went 14th. Not the hype. So the price for DM is higher, I agree. But Melo could have come here as a free agent. Remember that too, that tidbit lowered his value. The pick was Murray, WIlson was not a star but solid as has been Gallo. But at moment of the trade they were very young and had years ahead.
In retrospect the price was lower. For all the reasons stated.
If DM lead knicks to a chip in 4 years, then price would have been viewed differently. Same for Cavs future.
I think Cavs made a good deal for them.

martin wrote:You know what works trade wise?

Lakers get: Fourier, Randle, Rose, Cam.
Knicks get: Westbrook, Nunn, pick?

I think they would like Cam and Rose. Doubt they want to have to deal with Randle’s contract but Randle would give them a scorer when Davis gets hurt (which happens every year). They probably could use Fournier as a 3pt threat. We get their unprotected 2027 1st round pick, and we don’t lose any of our key young pieces. I would probably want a second round pick too. I would not do this trade now. I would wait until the trade deadline because there is a decent chance we can trade Fournier and Randle on their own in separate trades for a 1st round pick. But this would be a good last resort trade if the season turns bad on us.

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TheGame wrote:

martin wrote:You know what works trade wise?

Lakers get: Fourier, Randle, Rose, Cam.
Knicks get: Westbrook, Nunn, pick?

I think they would like Cam and Rose. Doubt they want to have to deal with Randle’s contract but Randle would give them a scorer when Davis gets hurt (which happens every year). They probably could use Fournier as a 3pt threat. We get their unprotected 2027 1st round pick, and we don’t lose any of our key young pieces. I would probably want a second round pick too. I would not do this trade now. I would wait until the trade deadline because there is a decent chance we can trade Fournier and Randle on their own in separate trades for a 1st round pick. But this would be a good last resort trade if the season turns bad on us.

I agree with this trade idea. I disagree with the timing. I don’t think the lakers can wait. I believe they are looking now to trade Russ and their picks b4 training camp. With the moves they already made like Pat Bev? The writing is on the wall for whoever wants Russ expiring contract. Rose needs to jump on this. Regardless of the youth movement, we all agree we have too many mouths to feed and Thibs likes a tight rotation. (That’s what she said).

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ESOMKnicks wrote:I think we should be done trading for the summer. We have a balanced and young roster. If Grimes or Cam progress, then we are at the proverbial "two-deep" at each position. I would like to see how the team plays for 20-30 games before thinking of further reshuffling.

DM was the most exciting young star that would be available for some time, I don't really see anyone else we should be boning for right now, until Giannis starts finding it tedious in Wisconsin.

We are 3 deep at certain positions and for guys who need minutes, i.e. Cam.

There will be another trade at some point.