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Knixkik
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6/24/2022  6:23 PM
martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.
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6/24/2022  7:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2022  7:24 PM
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martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.

That's why Dallas wasn't jumping to resign him last season, Luka's extension is kicking in. For all the argument about Brunson not being a 25 million per player, people have to realize he would be a 45 million player to the Mavs. The point isn't to get the Mavs into the luxury tax but to get them deep into it where the escalator payments really get expensive.

Dallas still has options. Moving Dinwiddie Bertans or THJ would make resigning Brunson at 25 million a piece of cake but given the protections on the Knicks pick, they wouldn't be able to convey a first round pick until 2027 at the earliest. Not many GMs have the job security that that would make sense.

I'm not sure if Dallas could unilaterally drop protections on their pick owed to NY but I don't see why not. After adding Dinwiddie and then Woods it's an open question of how many shots will be available for Brunson going forward.
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6/24/2022  11:36 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.

That's why Dallas wasn't jumping to resign him last season, Luka's extension is kicking in. For all the argument about Brunson not being a 25 million per player, people have to realize he would be a 45 million player to the Mavs. The point isn't to get the Mavs into the luxury tax but to get them deep into it where the escalator payments really get expensive.

Dallas still has options. Moving Dinwiddie Bertans or THJ would make resigning Brunson at 25 million a piece of cake but given the protections on the Knicks pick, they wouldn't be able to convey a first round pick until 2027 at the earliest. Not many GMs have the job security that that would make sense.

I'm not sure if Dallas could unilaterally drop protections on their pick owed to NY but I don't see why not. After adding Dinwiddie and then Woods it's an open question of how many shots will be available for Brunson going forward.

Come on man. You really think 10 mm$ dollars is gonna bother a 63 year old man worth 5 billion who wants another ring? You think he’s gonna skunk to the Knicks? You know and I know that ain’t happening. I’m not sure what having your having your father on the team means but he’s gonna get an offer just like I told u of near max for 5 years. I don’t know about u but that extra 40-60 mm in a low tax state sounds more appealing than dealing w high tax ny where there’s gonna be rediculoys expectations on him. With Woods and Doncic he’s just gotta play a solid role just like he did. With hardawY back a more balanced team they have true championship aspirations. Knicks gotta worry day 1 about Randle who gets hurt among other dramas. I don’t think he’s coming here

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6/25/2022  12:03 AM
Cuban paid the luxury tax the first nine seasons it was assessed. Dallas’ total tax bill in that span (more than $150 million) was lower than only the Knicks’ (about $195 million) and eclipsed the 20-lowest-spending teams’ combined.

But he hasn’t paid the tax since. This will be Dallas’ 10th straight year outside the luxury tax.
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6/25/2022  12:21 AM
makes no sense for Dallas to resign him - they should try to S&T- easily should be able to get their own first round pick back- though we should have been able to keep our pick and not have to dump Walker.
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6/25/2022  12:46 AM
Maybe this why Knicks drafted Keel?

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6/25/2022  1:00 AM
He’s coming to New York. You can participate in the kayfabe if you want but know that he’s coming to NY.
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6/25/2022  1:01 AM
martin wrote:Maybe this why Knicks drafted Keel?

That is exactly why they drafted him…

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6/25/2022  4:49 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.

It's surprising when you see that number- considering how sparse their roster is talent wise, it's weird how their salary number got so high
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6/25/2022  7:30 AM
To come play with Uncle Wes, uncle Tommy, Dad, Uncle Leon, for good money, be the leader he is and be a lowrey type presence.
Brunson is a winning player. HE’ll not be defacto star but knows when to take control ad delegate it. He, not Randle.

RJ is the man now. Get him going, Its all be thought out and Leon burned a pick to get three 1sts back.

Someetimes one player can set the tone. Jalen brunson is a priority for this FO and its family for him. Its uncomfortable for fans because he is a chemistry kind of guy rather than a starphuck. Pg come in all shapes and sizes and the beat ones are leaders.
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6/25/2022  7:47 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.

It's surprising when you see that number- considering how sparse their roster is talent wise, it's weird how their salary number got so high

Hardaway, Dinwiddie, Bertans, DFS, and Powell make up like 100M of that.
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6/25/2022  8:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  9:00 AM
martin wrote:Maybe this why Knicks drafted Keel?

Feel two things will take place.
1.Cuban offers Brunson 4 years $20M-$25M per. Says if you really want to be here and go after a chip.... then welcome. If you want to go to the Knicks for the same amount, good luck. No way Cuban offers a 5 year max contract with the intention of keeping him. He may be a billionaire but he is not stupid.
2. Cuban does a sign and trade with the Knicks. Signs Brunson to a max deal and gets back a lot of assets and solid role players. He will then go and signs Tyus Jones.

The former is the media/fan **** I thought the FO would stay away from. Cuban knows what Brunson is really worth. He knows he is worth a bit more to them right now because of the chemistry and success this past year. But he also knows how the NY media and fan base creates these ridiculous expectations and hype. One that he enjoys taking advantage of.

I would prefer Jones but if we do get Brunson hoping it's in FA and not a sign and trade where he has a max or 5 years built in. IMHO, that will be confirmed as a bad contract by mid season.

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6/25/2022  8:24 AM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2022/6/21/23178019/jake-fischer-mavericks-favorites-to-re-sign-jalen-brunson

Only in New York can a Brunson signing be called a sweepstakes.

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6/25/2022  8:28 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:Mavs are at $154M in salary WITHOUT Brunson. Holy crap.

Wow. Didn’t realize that. They have so many non-stars in that 20 mil a year range.

That's why Dallas wasn't jumping to resign him last season, Luka's extension is kicking in. For all the argument about Brunson not being a 25 million per player, people have to realize he would be a 45 million player to the Mavs. The point isn't to get the Mavs into the luxury tax but to get them deep into it where the escalator payments really get expensive.

Dallas still has options. Moving Dinwiddie Bertans or THJ would make resigning Brunson at 25 million a piece of cake but given the protections on the Knicks pick, they wouldn't be able to convey a first round pick until 2027 at the earliest. Not many GMs have the job security that that would make sense.

I'm not sure if Dallas could unilaterally drop protections on their pick owed to NY but I don't see why not. After adding Dinwiddie and then Woods it's an open question of how many shots will be available for Brunson going forward.

They just resigned Finney Smith. They managed to dump KP but had to take back Dinwiddie who is still on the books and getting $20 mil per


Cuban doesn’t care he will pay luxury tax. I’d say the Mavs are the favorites to resign Brunson but the odds of Knicks getting him went from 10% to 40%
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6/25/2022  8:29 AM
wargames wrote:He’s coming to New York. You can participate in the kayfabe if you want but know that he’s coming to NY.

I hope your right. Tbh I’d be happy with Tyus Jones at $15 mil per
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6/25/2022  9:15 AM
One other thing to consider Brunson might actually like thibs more than Kidd and he might want the ball in his hands more

He is going to make money but there is more to life than money

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6/25/2022  10:07 AM
Chandler wrote:One other thing to consider Brunson might actually like thibs more than Kidd and he might want the ball in his hands more

He is going to make money but there is more to life than money

As well, maybe he actually wants to run a team instead of Doncic watching.

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6/25/2022  10:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  10:31 AM
I'm part of the anti-Brunson contingent. I don't think it's wise to add that type of salary to a team that is still rebuilding. Brunson is, however, the Mavericks' second best player (which isn't saying much) that they will have no ability to replace if he walks. Maybe overpaying Brunson won't be such a bad decision since we control the Mavericks' 2023 first round pick. With him gone, an inevitable fat-Luka to start the season/sprained ankle later in the season, as well as a significantly improved West with the Clippers, Nuggets, and Pelicans healthy....we might end up with a late-lottery pick if things go to plan. That alone might change the way I look at this signing because 2023 is expected to be a deep draft.

If we get Brunson, do so without giving the Mavericks the ability to do a sign-and-trade. We need to fleece 'em.
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6/25/2022  11:23 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I'm part of the anti-Brunson contingent. I don't think it's wise to add that type of salary to a team that is still rebuilding. Brunson is, however, the Mavericks' second best player (which isn't saying much) that they will have no ability to replace if he walks. Maybe overpaying Brunson won't be such a bad decision since we control the Mavericks' 2023 first round pick. With him gone, an inevitable fat-Luka to start the season/sprained ankle later in the season, as well as a significantly improved West with the Clippers, Nuggets, and Pelicans healthy....we might end up with a late-lottery pick if things go to plan. That alone might change the way I look at this signing because 2023 is expected to be a deep draft.

If we get Brunson, do so without giving the Mavericks the ability to do a sign-and-trade. We need to fleece 'em.

I don't think the Knicks-Mav can even do a S&T cause of the base year contract provision that Brunson is in.

They just need to give Mavs one more KP f-u maneuver and sign Brunson outright.

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6/25/2022  12:20 PM
The Mavs can do a S&T into the cap space created by the Knicks. Due to base year compensation issues related to Brunson, the traded player exception created for the Mavs is half of what Brunson signs for. So if Brunson's first year salary is $26Mn, then the TPE is $13Mn.
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