Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Nuts, I was hoping the Mavs might have been interested in taking on Randle

Still unlikely we move Randle. He’s still our best player and acquiring talent is the issue. I believe they let Mitch walk and make an effort to get Toppin some backup minutes at center.

Knicks FB do seem to removed him from the main pic and have gone all in with the RJ focus. I just can't take having Randle and Thibs back next season, I can't root for Randle anymore

Philc1 wrote:

MS wrote:That’s a solid deal. Definitely will hurt our draft positioning.

Hopefully the Knicks don’t let Mitch walk. Can’t allow Detroit to get him, there two moves away from being better than us this offseason.

The Mitch for Brunson sign and trade isn’t happening now. Rose needs to lock up Mitch before we lose him for nothing

While it may be simple, knicks showed we can win 37 with a healthy Mitch. Year before we were 10 gams over .500 without him. Im not sure that that means but it tells me as good as he is, its ok to lose players sometimes.

smackeddog wrote:

TheGame wrote:Wow, that is all it took to get a 20 pt scoring big man. Woods' reputation must really be in the trash. Solid move by the Mavs. They now have one more scorer on a team that needed some low post scoring. But they also needed some rim protection and Woods does not help much with that. Unless Brunson demands the Max, Dallas will likely resign him.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what the rep stuff actually is- 7 teams in 7 years, even the rockets shed him for very little, the Pistons let him walk, all the while his numbers look good. One writer said a team said he had huge red flags, it amazing none of the stuff has ever leaked out, he never comes across as being a bad guy or anything (apart from that incident with the Rockets where he sulked for a game after being benched)

Its not like after an 7 year career he game thumbs down to a booing crowd and perhaps only 50 people heard him to STFU……………. That would be unforgivable1

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Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

MS wrote:That’s a solid deal. Definitely will hurt our draft positioning.

Hopefully the Knicks don’t let Mitch walk. Can’t allow Detroit to get him, there two moves away from being better than us this offseason.

The Mitch for Brunson sign and trade isn’t happening now. Rose needs to lock up Mitch before we lose him for nothing

Really, all that is written here and you never understood why that sign and trade could not happen? There facts to such things.
As for Mitch. I was in line with your thinking but the more you harp on Mitch leaving and your focus on "for nothing" the more Im ok with him leaving.
Reason? Well, we all know more is better than less. And something is more than nothing. So lets see how this all plays out rather then lose our minds on "for nothiing".

While it may be simple, knicks showed we can win 37 with a healthy Mitch. Year before we were 10 gams over .500 without him. Im not sure that that means but it tells me as good as he is, its ok to lose players sometimes.

So in the world you are lost in Mitch is a less valuable player than Elfrid Payton because the Knicks won 37 games with a healthy Mitch after winning 44 the season before with Elf being the starting PG

The 2020-2021 season was a fluke year in which there were basically no away games because of no crowds, Randle was excellent playing the best basketball of his life, and I do recall Mitch playing most of that season and being a significant contributor

Without Mitch last season we probably win 20 games. But then again that would mean we could now draft Ivey so maybe your right to hate on Mitch

Hate? Nope. I want him to stay. But im not all stupid about it.

Last season? HE played 31 games, we were 15-16. Thats the year we were 10 games over.500. Yes, its a team game and Randle had a lot to do with it. Because its a team game I respect thats its not plug and play.

My point is the record is what it is and we don’t win with a mitch level of play that COULD be replaced with a higher ceiling. Teams lose players all the time and move forward. If you really cared what I think you’d remember that I like mitch, but its not a black and white situation were you pay stupid money to keep him. Not for some morality or hindsight fondness but there are ramifications to doing so.
So my love or hate is conditional to a price and that I want flexiblity.

If you only win 20 games, you don’t get the kind of growth and development we got with IQ, Grime and Obi. Even Duece saw good minutes down the stretch and games won. That is super important. It does not show up on season stats or the record because most of us don’t seek it.

Those players improving matters, even more than draft postions SOMETIMES.

Tilt to Steph Curry going a spot higher to us? Well, Rubio was at the time seen as the higher ceiling. Steph had bad ankles and if you want to peek back, look at the 4 year 44 mil contract he signed. Thats how tenuous his ankle situation was. And, don’t forget the roster clearing trade Dolan made to get Melo and ask “at that moment in time, is it plausible that he gets dealt then?”

Not to say we should not have taken him, but few thought he’d be better than Kobe as a player and teammate.