EwingsGlass wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

I don’t have stats for this. Just gut. His FT% tells me there is an efficient shooter hiding in there somewhere

Cam is still on the back half of our 24 and under club. Somethings going to give, and I think Burks will be the first domino to fall...just because he's easier to move the Fournier. But that alone opens up a few things.

IQ solidifies his spot at PG with Rose, Grimes starts seeing consistent minutes at 2, Cam becomes backup 3. It's going to be tough to get him minutes at PF, I'm already hoping we can turn the 4/5 primarily into a 3 man rotation of Mitch (re-sign)/Randle/Obi. Sub in Noel for Mitch if he walks.

IQ/Rose
Grimes/Fournier
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Randle

Outside looking in: Noel, Sims, Deuce, Taj, lotto pick

I can also see the scenario where we don't (or can't) move any of the vets and see some combination of Obi/Grimes/Cam included in a trade if for no other reason than the minutes crunch.

Philc1 wrote:
It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Yes, but you don't trade 1st round picks* for 3rd stringers (*I get that it may wind up as 2nds). We already have guys waiting to step in if/when injuries happen.

The Cam trade always felt like a precursor to another move that just didn't happen last season. I guess we'll see this summer if there's still another shoe to drop.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

Where did I condemn him in that post?

Philc1 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:
It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Yes, but you don't trade 1st round picks* for 3rd stringers (*I get that it may wind up as 2nds). We already have guys waiting to step in if/when injuries happen.

The Cam trade always felt like a precursor to another move that just didn't happen last season. I guess we'll see this summer if there's still another shoe to drop.

I think it was just a desperation move by Perry to salvage the Knox pick

That said I’d rather see Cam get a rotation spot over Grimes or Burks. Especially if Burks is playing PG again next season

Phil, you saying you want Cam to play PG over Burkes or you just spazzing out with pubescent ranting of a redundant incomplete thought?

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

martin wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

Thibs was doing the same thing over and over and losing so who shouldn't sit? You have to change things up and see what you got. Thibs was being stubborn about playing most of the young guys including Obi. The team was a 12th place team so I don't get the Who should sit take?