foosballnick wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:foosballnick wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?
I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.
If Knicks scouts thought that Ivey had ceiling near Mtichell/Ja, would you entertain RJ for Ivey?
I don’t want to trade rj but if everyone was on same page with their thoughts on ivy than yes
Well you buy time on having to pay- if I am keeping 11 and just straight up trading RJ for the 4th pick/Ivey - then yes, I think it makes sense to do that and add 2 young potential players.
From a Hinkie standpoint, RJ seems to be far away from being able to get us to the Finals like Tatum has for Boston. Reset and roll the dice again.
I'll remain consistent on my view of Ivey. I've watched a lot of him at Purdue. To me his NBA comparable is De'Aaron Fox (with less assists) and not Ja Morant or Mitchell. Ivey has superior speed and is extremely athletic. But he has yet to show he can shoot with any consistency/efficiency nor does he see the floor as a polished point guard. So the question for me is would you trade RJ straight up for D. Fox? RJ has his flaws but is still developing, so I say no.
No way Daron Fox. Ivey is not even a PG. Hes much more like D Mitchell who also could not shoot as a junior in college. Ended up pretty good? Im not sure Id be willing to trade RJ for him unless the Knicks scouts are very close to agreement we should. Ivey will be better in the pros because he has major tier 1 athletic ability with full body control and handle.
I'm still trying to figure out what RJ is really good at that he would be a long term worthwhile investment.
I get the marketing aspect of him but as a raw player, what are you getting besides volume so far? He eats minutes, he is high volume on not very good shooting %, I am not convinced of him as a defender.
Some fair points but still difficult for me to determine given the Knicks PG situation since he's been here. Based on his output to date - I don't think he is a Max player and the Knicks will be faced with that dilemma in contract discussions. However he appears to be the type that is unflappable, listens, learns and grows - so I would anticipate he will continue to get better. Right now RJ is essentially a slightly worse foul shooting % 26 year old Khris Middleton 6 years into his career. Great guy to have on the core of your team. But need to pair him with an A+ guy and off you go.
Also I think you might be a bit unfair on D. RJ Rebounds well and Thibs is a defensive minded coach who generally assigned RJ the tougher defensive assignments.
For me, RJ can have moments of good defense. When a guy tries to back RJ down, he can hold his own. We have seen RJ stay toe-to-toe with Jimmy Butler. Those are the good parts.
But we have also seen him not have enough foot speed to rotate out to the 3 point line. His footwork isn't fast enough to keep up with most guards. He is not good at getting around a pick like Grimes is.
He can be a part of a good defensive team. I don't know how much of an individual defender he can be.
