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BigDaddyG
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5/29/2022  6:25 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
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Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

The other issue is the draft board hasn't even been close to being solidified at this point. It's risky trading up at this point, not that I think the Knicks have the right pieces to do it. What if you end up moving up to 7, only for you targeted guy to go at 4?

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There are thousands of reasons not to make a move, but I look at this kid and and see possibilities. Yes, there will always be a 7 foot monster behind the person he just juked. But I haven’t seen a combination of body control, leaping ability and shot since Kobe. If I think he is the guy ( or Briggs thinks this is the guy), or the FO defides this is the guy, then you have to make a move.

Unfortunately, I think he replaces Barrett. My logic is if you move for Sharpe, go all in and build around him.

I think he has “it”. I can’t explain exactly every aspect, but he has something Barrett is missing. I’ve been Barrett’s biggest advocate all season, but Sharpe looks like he will finish better in traffic. I’m willing to ride another year with Barrett, but if a move for Sharpe became available, I am a buyer.

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5/30/2022  8:28 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

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5/30/2022  4:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/30/2022  4:40 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

So you would be willing to take a shot at a kid that we have NO sample size above the HS level? Let alone give up assets to trade up for him? This is exactly the kind of long shot guessing that has created so many busts.

My point is that the draft is a crap shoot. If not, then teams like Sacramento and Minnesota would be world champs already. You can tell me this kid is different but that would be the same words used by so many that have ended up with players that were just not very good. History has shown that there are more busts than difference makers in each years lottery. So why would you trade assets to take that chance at just another guess? I would use this year's pick to trade for a proven player not an unproven one. If not, just pick BPA.

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5/30/2022  5:26 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

So you would be willing to take a shot at a kid that we have NO sample size above the HS level? Let alone give up assets to trade up for him? This is exactly the kind of long shot guessing that has created so many busts.

My point is that the draft is a crap shoot. If not, then teams like Sacramento and Minnesota would be world champs already. You can tell me this kid is different but that would be the same words used by so many that have ended up with players that were just not very good. History has shown that there are more busts than difference makers in each years lottery. So why would you trade assets to take that chance at just another guess? I would use this year's pick to trade for a proven player not an unproven one. If not, just pick BPA.


It all comes down to how much you trust the scouting department. I'm lukewarm to the idea of moving up because I'm just not comfortable giving up the assets required to make that move. But the front office has done a decent enough job in the draft that I would give them the benefit of the doubt if they decided to make such a move. Of course, their jobs are on the line if they mess it up. But I'm willing to give Leon the opportunity to prove my hunches right or wrong.
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5/30/2022  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/30/2022  8:27 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

So you would be willing to take a shot at a kid that we have NO sample size above the HS level? Let alone give up assets to trade up for him? This is exactly the kind of long shot guessing that has created so many busts.

My point is that the draft is a crap shoot. If not, then teams like Sacramento and Minnesota would be world champs already. You can tell me this kid is different but that would be the same words used by so many that have ended up with players that were just not very good. History has shown that there are more busts than difference makers in each years lottery. So why would you trade assets to take that chance at just another guess? I would use this year's pick to trade for a proven player not an unproven one. If not, just pick BPA.

Your exact words could describe how Kobe ended up with the Lakers instead of Charlotte for Vlade Divac. But I don't think is a random guess. And though I can't promise success, this guy checks all my boxes and the fact that he is coming out of HS might make him drop a little. But yeah, I would be willing to take a swing to get Shaeden Sharpe. He has athleticism, shooting, size, wingspan.


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33969912/winners-losers-2022-nba-draft-combine


You get me a 6'6 shooting guard that can shoot, has a 49' (allegedly) vertical and a 7' wingspan. Yeah, I am willing to bet on that. And I would make moves because I believe in that.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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5/31/2022  8:35 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

So you would be willing to take a shot at a kid that we have NO sample size above the HS level? Let alone give up assets to trade up for him? This is exactly the kind of long shot guessing that has created so many busts.

My point is that the draft is a crap shoot. If not, then teams like Sacramento and Minnesota would be world champs already. You can tell me this kid is different but that would be the same words used by so many that have ended up with players that were just not very good. History has shown that there are more busts than difference makers in each years lottery. So why would you trade assets to take that chance at just another guess? I would use this year's pick to trade for a proven player not an unproven one. If not, just pick BPA.

Fans can do this kind of stuff. Say things. Maybe a few ideas. But forget you have to zero in on one and only one. Kobe went 13th. Yet there was all kinds of things written about how great his workouts were. Yes, and that was in hindsight and it was for a kid expeccted to drop below 10th. What Kobe became was legend and more so over time. The chips validate his greatness. Being with Shaq and Phil propelled him. I doubt he would have failed but there might have been another version of him if the cards dont drop right for him were he is an allstar, but a petulant even more dick player. We have forgotten his off court troubles, his on court stubborness. Stuff that cost at least one chip, maybe two. Drove his coaches crazy.

Back on point, a FO to give up proven assets and have a kid not reach the expectation can knock back a team years in progress. Consider even as connelly drafted Jokic at 41 and patient as they were, they drafted Mudiay and gave MPjr a big contract with and he has only played 125 games thus far! And this guy got equity!!!! My point is good teams also fail but it can’t be fatal.

warriors stayed on track and steph trusted the FO and they got back to finals. Thats a hell of a job they did. So logical they could have cashed in for one more player. Klay injury really did have an effect also.
But even if we get Ivy, would he still need 3 years to mature? Mabye. Kobe was special, he needed two. Even Jordan needed a few years to figure **** out and the right coach to pull it out.

Mudiay went 4th. The hype behind him was similar to LaMelo Ball. One panned out, another didn’t.
Move up to get ivy I doubt off the table, but there is a price.

for now, gone is the day of the tri-headed starphuch. Aging stars are hard to predict also. Boston and Warrors did it with draft. RJ is important. You don’t have to be on board for him, cuz none of us matter in this. Currently he is the key to this franchise. He is 21 and not a finished product. He cannot be included in any trade for a pick like Ivy.
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6/1/2022  1:51 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Looks like a young kobe.. Any trade is acceptable

Do you really think that an edited practice video is a good barometer for HOF comparison?

Not to mention Sharpe will go top 8. Draft success is a Lotto ticket. This year's odds are probably the lowest in quite some time.
I'll put my $2 dollars on Malaki Branham.Who I feel has a more realistic chance of being in our range. Don't be shocked if we stick to Kentucky connection and pick Ty Ty.

After all these years why not make an all out attempt to grab a draft difference maker? If not I’m content at 11. Not with the two u mentioned

The probability of getting a "Real difference" maker is the problem. Just look at all the hyped up pre draft picks that have flopped. The other issue is what you would consider trading for that small probability?

You can’t use the entire pool of NBA draft picks as the probability that any specific one will succeed. You can only use that probability to describe the likelihood that a randomly selected draft pick will succeed. By this logic you use, you would never trade for a draft pick.

In terms of hyped players that have failed, there are countless reasons for this but one of the more common reasons is that skill and/or comparative size players that can dominate in college sometimes lack the athleticism and mental toughness at the NBA level.

With this kid, you can rule out athleticism, shotmaking as drawbacks. He has sufficient UNKNOWN to make him both intriguing and potentially available. The fact that there isn’t a lot of tape on the kid above high school level is in my opinion what makes him more available. Only question mark I have seen on him so far is whether he wants to attack the rim vs settling for easy jumpers that he is also good at.

The tapes only backup the vertical leap elements of his hype since he didn’t measure at the combine. L

So you would be willing to take a shot at a kid that we have NO sample size above the HS level? Let alone give up assets to trade up for him? This is exactly the kind of long shot guessing that has created so many busts.

My point is that the draft is a crap shoot. If not, then teams like Sacramento and Minnesota would be world champs already. You can tell me this kid is different but that would be the same words used by so many that have ended up with players that were just not very good. History has shown that there are more busts than difference makers in each years lottery. So why would you trade assets to take that chance at just another guess? I would use this year's pick to trade for a proven player not an unproven one. If not, just pick BPA.

Your exact words could describe how Kobe ended up with the Lakers instead of Charlotte for Vlade Divac. But I don't think is a random guess. And though I can't promise success, this guy checks all my boxes and the fact that he is coming out of HS might make him drop a little. But yeah, I would be willing to take a swing to get Shaeden Sharpe. He has athleticism, shooting, size, wingspan.


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33969912/winners-losers-2022-nba-draft-combine


You get me a 6'6 shooting guard that can shoot, has a 49' (allegedly) vertical and a 7' wingspan. Yeah, I am willing to bet on that. And I would make moves because I believe in that.

he's gotta love the game. These guys will know. He's not fooling WWW, Thibs, Leon... they will know when they work him out.

Some guys make it easy. TMac, Amare, KG, Kobe, Giannis... the lucky teams are the ones that work these guys out and go holy ****

I am pretty excited about us getting a good player with where we are

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