martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Thibs is a good coach. But he doesn’t trust himself when it comes to young players and looks to vets to cover up his mistakes. He rides them and that is his biggest mistake. Rose may have gotten a MVP under him but he rode him into the ground. He doesn’t know how to incorporate players and create a rotation where you are going 12 deep at least. Last year was an example of he doesn’t have a clue as to how to manage player rotations. You needed a point guard once he lost Rose his crutch he basically lost his marbles. He played Burks at point guard. You have Quickly and McBride but no let’s have Burks play at point guard.

Let’s look at Obi even he had to come out and take matters to media and call Thibs out for his inconsistent playing time. Thibs is awful at making adjustments because he gets set in his ways. Adjustments just aren’t his strongest attributes. The front office had to intervene to tell him to play the young players.

Under coach Vinnie Del negro, DRose was in his second year. Rookie year he avged 37min. year two 36.8min and fist time allstar. Thibs comes year three, and his wins MVP at age 22 avg 37.4 min per game. Lets look at total min.

yr 1 3000 minutes 81 games Coach Vinnie
yr 2 2871 minutes 78 games coach Vinnie
yr 3 3026 minutes 81 games Coach Thibs

32 seconds per game more.

Luol Deng, age 25 avg'd 39min per game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

Lets get some perspective.......

Drose in his MVP season was 9th in total minutes that year.
What about Avg. per game?? 14th. Monta Ellis lead with 40.3, Rudy Gay, 39.9, Aldridge, 39.6.......

So, did Thibs run him in the ground or did it just suck that he blew out?

As For Burks? He was better starting than IQ and Mcbride. I know what I saw. If IQ played well he stayed in the game and finished. If not, Burks came in.
Im not saying Thibs is not inflexible, but there are myths too that are not accurate. OBI had some stinkers also. He was inconsistent.
Also, Randle got his act together and played well down the stretch too.

You weren’t going to win with Burks playing PG. Quickly wasn’t going to get better playing PG unless he got PT. Same with Obi and McBride. You don’t f’ing play Burks when the future is right there in front of him at PG knowing that he would be better off for the future. But he held this ridiculous idea that playoffs were possible if he played Burks. His logic backfired on him he didn’t make the playoffs and he didn’t give the young players the necessary playing time to step into their roles for the up and coming year. When you have a coach who just plays for the moment it’s going to be very hard for him to think about the future.

IQ got playing time. It was as a backup, and he still didn't perform in that role very well until the back end of the season when the light finally clicked for him. He didn't pick up his dribble any more (or as much). He had a better understanding of where guys were on the court to make outlet passes. He was more vocal at directing traffic. He was not doing any of those things, while doing many awful things like fouling a lot during the early part of the year while also being in a shooting slump... against backups, not even starters.

Why in gods name anyone thinks IQ would have learned at a faster rate as a starter is mind boggling.

This is called development of a player. Putting that player in a positions to learn on the job in a less stressful environment first and then when ready, promoting him.

This is why it's so hard to actually develop in NY, the fans have some disillusion thinking about what they think is best and as a result are impatient.

And I'll put it out there for a spin for anyone to take a minute to think about it: There are some understated and reasonable takes why you want Burks to start in this environment even though he is a **** PG.,

See?

Honestly I cant wait to see the young guys next year

Vmart wrote:Thaj played 52 games last year. Noel played in 25 only ten Thibs played any young player was when injuries made the decisions for him. Like the case for Grimes he got playing time due to Covid protocols. Or management stepping in to get Reddish playing time.

Trading for Reddish and not playing him was one of the more puzzlings movesof the season