HofstraBBall wrote:Sometimes I think NY Fans = Let's trade anyone who produces but not at the unrealistic rate we dreamt of for a guy who produces less but we can at least start a new unrealistic dream about what he will do here. Can see the hope but it is still a gamble. Why trade for a guy who we will have to Max and who produces less than just one of the two guys you want to include in the package? And you want to add Mitchell? Do you really think if we had Ayton this year without Mitch and Randle, we would have won a playoff round? Not to mention that Ayton is not exactly a great example of "modern NBA" centers. So hard to build a future around him.

Why not trade, our best asset, Randle for pieces that would fill gaps and that replace Randle's level of production instead? Ones that fit a model of what is having success. Or why not trade him for someone that fills your biggest void? Ie PG.

A guy like Ayton just does not move the needle IMHO. Rather stick with Mitch and Randle and figure out PG need. IQ as a starter and a solid backup may be the only thing needed to get us in the playoffs.

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I think it's more likely Ayton goes to either Atl (for Capella and John Collins) or a package involving Anthony Davis.

Davis is fat, injury prone and getting old. That would be a horrible trade for the suns

Maybe so but I could see the Lakers moving on from AD since they love Lebron and Westbrook would require a pick attached. The Suns were high on AD before he joined the Lakers and if healthy (big if) he could help due to his shooting and shot creating.

Think a deal would Atl would be better for both parties.

I think the lakers give it one more shot next season with the team they have. If it doesn’t work they blow it up and let Westbrook’s $47 million come off the books and say bye bye to aging diva Lebron. Phil is in the building and he could care less what the media says

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I think it's more likely Ayton goes to either Atl (for Capella and John Collins) or a package involving Anthony Davis.

Davis is fat, injury prone and getting old. That would be a horrible trade for the suns

Maybe so but I could see the Lakers moving on from AD since they love Lebron and Westbrook would require a pick attached. The Suns were high on AD before he joined the Lakers and if healthy (big if) he could help due to his shooting and shot creating.

Think a deal would Atl would be better for both parties.

I think the lakers give it one more shot next season with the team they have. If it doesn’t work they blow it up and let Westbrook’s $47 million come off the books and say bye bye to aging diva Lebron. Phil is in the building and he could care less what the media says

I agree that is what the Lakers should do, it's just that they don't seem to take their lumps from mistakes the way other teams do - they always try shortcuts and to their credit - are usually successful in retooling (compared to us :) Westbrook coming off the books changes everything for the Lakers future.

Having an entering his prime Shaq sign for less money and getting the draft rigged everytime they need to rebuild has helped the lakers

Philc1 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I think it's more likely Ayton goes to either Atl (for Capella and John Collins) or a package involving Anthony Davis.

Davis is fat, injury prone and getting old. That would be a horrible trade for the suns

Maybe so but I could see the Lakers moving on from AD since they love Lebron and Westbrook would require a pick attached. The Suns were high on AD before he joined the Lakers and if healthy (big if) he could help due to his shooting and shot creating.

Think a deal would Atl would be better for both parties.

I think the lakers give it one more shot next season with the team they have. If it doesn’t work they blow it up and let Westbrook’s $47 million come off the books and say bye bye to aging diva Lebron. Phil is in the building and he could care less what the media says

I agree that is what the Lakers should do, it's just that they don't seem to take their lumps from mistakes the way other teams do - they always try shortcuts and to their credit - are usually successful in retooling (compared to us :) Westbrook coming off the books changes everything for the Lakers future.

Having an entering his prime Shaq sign for less money and getting the draft rigged everytime they need to rebuild has helped the lakers

Why is it people say other franchise more attractive than NY because of taxes, but then guys sign in LA & literally pay more in taxes.

Because it’s an overhyped narrative

2/3 of these players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the nba and yet somehow people on the internet are lost in enough in their little worlds to think players understand state tax brackets

Coming from you, that says something. Its cool to read your redundant stuff then attempt to measure what player and their advisors think.

Lost in this fine nugget is the “LA LIFESTYE”. Players enjoy their off seasons there.
Nobody talks about what a killer the traffic is. Ask Kobe.
Too soon? Nobe. Kobe and his daughter death was an outright tragic event. One that was avoidable.
LA lifestyle has its price. Taxes is just one of them. Kardashians are there to suck the life and funds from your career too11!!!

Back on point, LA and San Fran are cool places to live if you have the money. Sac is more generic as its inland.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

franco12 wrote:Why is it people say other franchise more attractive than NY because of taxes, but then guys sign in LA & literally pay more in taxes.

It is sunny there, people are nicer, and the franchise has a much greater championship cache.

"People" meaning New Yorkers that can't come to grips that NYC is just not that much of a preferred destination anymore. LA is a clear destination for players that feel Davis and LBJ will get them to the promise land. Think players are noticing the tax breaks and other things some of the smaller cities have to offer. Maybe it's because so many other cities have become great places to live in. And with the Internet and social media today the need to be in a major city in order to promote yourself no longer exists. Maybe it's that players know cities like NY are notorious for crappy medias and demanding fan bases.

For the Knicks it will be "If you build it they will come". If we can continue to build a strong team that competes for chips, guys will start to flock to this city once again. Unfortunately, we have not had that in decades.

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

franco12 wrote:Why is it people say other franchise more attractive than NY because of taxes, but then guys sign in LA & literally pay more in taxes.

It is sunny there, people are nicer, and the franchise has a much greater championship cache.

"People" meaning New Yorkers that can't come to grips that NYC is just not that much of a preferred destination anymore. LA is a clear destination for players that feel Davis and LBJ will get them to the promise land. Think players are noticing the tax breaks and other things some of the smaller cities have to offer. Maybe it's because so many other cities have become great places to live in. And with the Internet and social media today the need to be in a major city in order to promote yourself no longer exists. Maybe it's that players know cities like NY are notorious for crappy medias and demanding fan bases.

For the Knicks it will be "If you build it they will come". If we can continue to build a strong team that competes for chips, guys will start to flock to this city once again. Unfortunately, we have not had that in decades.

And yet the Yankees and Mets have no problem attracting free agents. Yes baseball doesn’t have a salary cap but there is a luxury tax

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I think it's more likely Ayton goes to either Atl (for Capella and John Collins) or a package involving Anthony Davis.

Davis is fat, injury prone and getting old. That would be a horrible trade for the suns

Maybe so but I could see the Lakers moving on from AD since they love Lebron and Westbrook would require a pick attached. The Suns were high on AD before he joined the Lakers and if healthy (big if) he could help due to his shooting and shot creating.

Think a deal would Atl would be better for both parties.

I think the lakers give it one more shot next season with the team they have. If it doesn’t work they blow it up and let Westbrook’s $47 million come off the books and say bye bye to aging diva Lebron. Phil is in the building and he could care less what the media says

I agree that is what the Lakers should do, it's just that they don't seem to take their lumps from mistakes the way other teams do - they always try shortcuts and to their credit - are usually successful in retooling (compared to us :) Westbrook coming off the books changes everything for the Lakers future.

Having an entering his prime Shaq sign for less money and getting the draft rigged everytime they need to rebuild has helped the lakers

Why is it people say other franchise more attractive than NY because of taxes, but then guys sign in LA & literally pay more in taxes.

Because it’s an overhyped narrative

2/3 of these players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the nba and yet somehow people on the internet are lost in enough in their little worlds to think players understand state tax brackets

Bro, your stats seem hate filled. 2/3 of former NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years? Lmao

Sorry it’s only 60% of nba players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league, not 66%

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/14/money-lessons-learned-from-pro-athletes-financial-fouls.html

jskinny35 wrote:

houston20 wrote:The suns got eliminated last night there owner is kind of a cheap owner robert sarver he won't pay luxury tax for deandre ayton and knicks have julius randle former allstar and mitch robinson 2 starters could give the suns what they want. Julius randle was 20 point scorer and is better then what the suns have in crowder and mitch is not better then ayton but is servicable . I would give suns the dallas pick julius randle and mitch robinson for deandre ayton.

Yes, but only if Ayton's passes a physical to confirm he has an actual heart

Fully agree! with
jskinny35 on check of heart, What do the Knickerbockers got to lose ? Mitch OR Randle one of them will be Ex-Knicks over the summer.
Ayton is a chippy player but may have an upside in NY, to prove something.

What do we got to lose ? take a chance
on Deandre Ayton

COMING TO AMERICA
Go on honey take a chance

Philc1 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I think it's more likely Ayton goes to either Atl (for Capella and John Collins) or a package involving Anthony Davis.

Davis is fat, injury prone and getting old. That would be a horrible trade for the suns

Maybe so but I could see the Lakers moving on from AD since they love Lebron and Westbrook would require a pick attached. The Suns were high on AD before he joined the Lakers and if healthy (big if) he could help due to his shooting and shot creating.

Think a deal would Atl would be better for both parties.

I think the lakers give it one more shot next season with the team they have. If it doesn’t work they blow it up and let Westbrook’s $47 million come off the books and say bye bye to aging diva Lebron. Phil is in the building and he could care less what the media says

I agree that is what the Lakers should do, it's just that they don't seem to take their lumps from mistakes the way other teams do - they always try shortcuts and to their credit - are usually successful in retooling (compared to us :) Westbrook coming off the books changes everything for the Lakers future.

Having an entering his prime Shaq sign for less money and getting the draft rigged everytime they need to rebuild has helped the lakers

Why is it people say other franchise more attractive than NY because of taxes, but then guys sign in LA & literally pay more in taxes.

Because it’s an overhyped narrative

2/3 of these players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the nba and yet somehow people on the internet are lost in enough in their little worlds to think players understand state tax brackets

Bro, your stats seem hate filled. 2/3 of former NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years? Lmao

Sorry it’s only 60% of nba players are bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the league, not 66%

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/05/14/money-lessons-learned-from-pro-athletes-financial-fouls.html

Agree, Turner’s foot injury should scare everyone

Did Mitch Robinsons change anyones perception at the time? Knicks did a "wait and see" and Mitch had his best season. one might take a minority approach to his season and say his inclusion stagnated the offense a bit vs the previous year?
I won't be happy to lose him for nothing in return but if you respect the timeline the knicks were not irresponsible to take a wait and see approach. Detroit need only exceed the 55mil we are locked to give him to get him. I like mitch but I won't whine and cry about him leaving either.