BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:Memphis was like 22-2 or some ungodly record as a starter while Ja was down with injury during regular season. His price was set a long time ago, last night was just icing on cake.

I'm thinking mid level if it's a multi-year deal. Maybe a little more if he wants to gamble on a one year make good deal. He's in a similar position Elfrid was in after his run in New Orleans.

I'd guess Memphis values him more than the mid level and he can leverage to get somewhere > $10M.

It is a weak PG year, unless you consider Delon Wright an impact player. It's possible he could leverage more. But the only team I can see his agent using is the Pistons, and they've been all over the place with rumors. Maybe he can get a little more than the mid-level, but I think $15M is out of the question for a reserve guard. Heck, even $14M might be too high. Things can change, but I think he's looking at about mid-level as the market stands now.

I don't see Jones leaving Memphis for the MLE in order to be a back-up somewhere else and I don't see Memphis in hurry to get rid of him since he's been extremely effective in role this season as a back-up to Ja. He could theoretically be a starter for certain teams - maybe even the Knicks. But that would mean a S&T for most teams and departing with assets in order to get a player likely valued by Memphis. I'm guessing that Jones will stay with Memphis at somewhere above the MLE.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:My bet is he’s up to 14-15 mm

$12-$13M per for min 3 years.
He may choose less if he is promised a bigger role.

My thing is that some fans seem to forget what it is they were missing during the season.
We have said for years that we want a PG that can break down the defense. Don't see Tyus as that.
We want a PG that can be an elite defender. Don't see either as that.
We want a PG with above average height. Not those.
So why do we want to overpay for Tyus and Brunson?

IMHO, we already have a kid that has shown flashes of being able to play at an elite level.
We already have a back up that has shown he can be more than adequate.
Question is, do the Knicks make a commitment to giving IQ the chance?
I just do not see Tyus or Brunson coming in and becoming our elite PG for the next 5 years.
Do not see them as starting PGs on teams that go deep in the playoffs.
I may be wrong but why not take a shot at a kid we already have and who we can control financially?
Not like guys like Tyus and Brunson won't be around in every off season.
Hoping we take BPA in draft and only look for FA upgrades that are reasonable contracts.
That way we can at least keep building tradable assets in case a true difference maker becomes available.

Your not incorrect in many aspects. Question is: “why not take a shot on a kid we already have”?
its a good question. If it does not work “Then what”? got back to Alec Burks?
All we know is what we saw and IQ improved. To what degree and at what level does a young 21 year old hit a wall and get to the next level that is needed called “Consistency”. Its why some get paid the big money.

I don’t have the answer. Tyus is not a leader of sorts but he holds down the job very well. Brunson the same.
How either would fit is a good question. With IQ, it might not be “If” but “when” he can get to the next levels. We as fans assume a time line based on what we see but there is much more to that.

IM asking more questions than answers. First order of business is the lottery. Not just where we sit but others too. They might want to deal, and while not directly with us, but deals have dominoe effects. With no apparent ready to go star in the top 5 perhaps a team like Detroit might want to move up the time line and add some vet leadership. remember when the Wiz went way to young at the behest of its owner? Grunfeld warned him to not do it. After two years they made some changes and got in to the playoffs. Not all GM’s drive the direction of its teams. Look at Sac? NEts? All from the owner. Its their team.

One of many scenarios. Dolan too might direct the team to get its ass in gear and make a move.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:My bet is he’s up to 14-15 mm

$12-$13M per for min 3 years.
He may choose less if he is promised a bigger role.

My thing is that some fans seem to forget what it is they were missing during the season.
We have said for years that we want a PG that can break down the defense. Don't see Tyus as that.
We want a PG that can be an elite defender. Don't see either as that.
We want a PG with above average height. Not those.
So why do we want to overpay for Tyus and Brunson?

IMHO, we already have a kid that has shown flashes of being able to play at an elite level.
We already have a back up that has shown he can be more than adequate.
Question is, do the Knicks make a commitment to giving IQ the chance?
I just do not see Tyus or Brunson coming in and becoming our elite PG for the next 5 years.
Do not see them as starting PGs on teams that go deep in the playoffs.
I may be wrong but why not take a shot at a kid we already have and who we can control financially?
Not like guys like Tyus and Brunson won't be around in every off season.
Hoping we take BPA in draft and only look for FA upgrades that are reasonable contracts.
That way we can at least keep building tradable assets in case a true difference maker becomes available.

Your not incorrect in many aspects. Question is: “why not take a shot on a kid we already have”?
its a good question. If it does not work “Then what”? got back to Alec Burks?
All we know is what we saw and IQ improved. To what degree and at what level does a young 21 year old hit a wall and get to the next level that is needed called “Consistency”. Its why some get paid the big money.

I don’t have the answer. Tyus is not a leader of sorts but he holds down the job very well. Brunson the same.
How either would fit is a good question. With IQ, it might not be “If” but “when” he can get to the next levels. We as fans assume a time line based on what we see but there is much more to that.

IM asking more questions than answers. First order of business is the lottery. Not just where we sit but others too. They might want to deal, and while not directly with us, but deals have dominoe effects. With no apparent ready to go star in the top 5 perhaps a team like Detroit might want to move up the time line and add some vet leadership. remember when the Wiz went way to young at the behest of its owner? Grunfeld warned him to not do it. After two years they made some changes and got in to the playoffs. Not all GM’s drive the direction of its teams. Look at Sac? NEts? All from the owner. Its their team.

One of many scenarios. Dolan too might direct the team to get its ass in gear and make a move.

Good questions. I actually named Tyus as a option. But before he has made so many notice. Not sure if for $13m. Maybe Dunn? Don't know. Point is that IQ seems to have shown the same flashed both Brunson and Jones have. Maybe more. And he is under our control. Think IQ hitting a wall was seen last year. Perhaps that experience helps him if it happens again. Tyus and Brunson would probably have more challenges. Ie. New team. Higher expectations that come with NY and bigger salaries. Think Brunson and Tyus we're good options last year. When under radar. Maybe we find someone that is still there. But again, we have IQ. Rose. Deuce.

I also had Tyus on my radar prior as well. But I think its really not feasible for the Knicks. He will want more than the MLE, we will have to give up assets in a S&T. I go with IQ/Rose/Deuce. Draft best available - but keep an eye out at PG. Longer look at Rok in the summer for consideration next year. Maybe even go after a guy like Coby White for Cam.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/ezedvw/tyus-jones-andre-miller-and-minnesotas-point-guard-professorship

I think he would be a good fit for what the Knicks might need. Not a dynamic PG but they can continue to make IQ into that. He’s good at PnR and shooting the outside 3. They don’t need him to attack the basket off the dribble because Randle and RJ does that. It’s not ground breaking, but it’s would help.