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Nalod
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4/18/2022  11:52 PM
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

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4/19/2022  7:30 AM
He's been one of the more dependable players in the league/ I think he missed 50 games over the 8 seasons before this one. He was originally scheduled to come back in February but because Portland was out of contention he sat out the rest of the season. AD and Jrue Holiday also were not able to get the Pelicans over the hump but were able to get rings after being traded. Given how well the Knicks played before crunch time and how lost they were during it, Lillard seems like a good fit.

The Nurkic situation makes it a little iffy if they will trade him. But I don't see how the Blazers can hope to play and pay all their small guards.
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4/19/2022  9:02 AM
gradyandrew wrote:He's been one of the more dependable players in the league/ I think he missed 50 games over the 8 seasons before this one. He was originally scheduled to come back in February but because Portland was out of contention he sat out the rest of the season. AD and Jrue Holiday also were not able to get the Pelicans over the hump but were able to get rings after being traded. Given how well the Knicks played before crunch time and how lost they were during it, Lillard seems like a good fit.

The Nurkic situation makes it a little iffy if they will trade him. But I don't see how the Blazers can hope to play and pay all their small guards.

I don’t want Lillard unless Portland is just trying to dump his contract and we don’t have to give up assets. He’s getting old. At this point he’s just a healthier Kemba — which helps us but again I don’t want to give up assets for Lillard and Portland will be asking for IQ and Obi
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4/19/2022  9:04 AM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum
martin
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4/19/2022  10:40 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum

Did you just describe your own head in the likes of a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum?

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4/19/2022  10:42 AM
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum

Did you just describe your own head in the likes of a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum?

Is that better or worse than Aqueduct?
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4/19/2022  11:32 AM
gradyandrew wrote:He's been one of the more dependable players in the league/ I think he missed 50 games over the 8 seasons before this one. He was originally scheduled to come back in February but because Portland was out of contention he sat out the rest of the season. AD and Jrue Holiday also were not able to get the Pelicans over the hump but were able to get rings after being traded. Given how well the Knicks played before crunch time and how lost they were during it, Lillard seems like a good fit.

The Nurkic situation makes it a little iffy if they will trade him. But I don't see how the Blazers can hope to play and pay all their small guards.

AD joined Lebron to win a Championship. Holliday joined Giannis. Who would Lillard be joining on the Knicks that would be comparable?

Randle, EF and a first rounder for Lillard would work from a salary perspective. But not sure the Blazers would do this. Also consider that Dame is signed through 2024-25 at between $42-$49M per season and will be 32 next year. His stats peaked in 2019-20 and have been on a slow decline since.
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4/19/2022  12:07 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum
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4/19/2022  1:18 PM
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum

Did you just describe your own head in the likes of a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum?

That's a little (really little) running joke with Uncle secret Nets-lover Nalod.

And it beats being asked if I'm some guy in a basement doing system hacking or something for the Trump campaign.
jrodmc
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4/19/2022  1:19 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:Are you worried about his abdominal surgery? I don't see that as a career threatening injury. He would have played this year if the Blazers were in contention.

I am more worried about him not being able to get his team over the hump when he was in his prime. Oh and not being in his prime at this point of time. Meaning either a rapid or a gradual decline of his abilities coinciding with our remaining empty cupboard of youth trying to come into their own and then the vets taking playing time away from them too, like we have right now. He represents a different timeframe. Unless he is the final piece on a championship team, which we are not, and sure as all hell would not be if we trade for him. See the Melo trade for reference

Oh yes, I remember that. A 26 year old uninjured prime Melo for a pile of league flotsam and draft picks, some of which actually flowed back up the Denver toilet to us is exactly the same reference point as a 32 year old Damian Lillard needing abdominal surgery.

I see dumb people.


Yes, I know, reactionary post -- Hi Nalod!


Im still renting space in your head?

Yeah, like a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum

Did you just describe your own head in the likes of a handicapped parking space at the Nassau Coliseum?

Is that better or worse than Aqueduct?

Did the Nets used to play home games at Aqueduct too? Wouldn't be surprised.
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4/19/2022  2:46 PM
Panos wrote:Yes the season was less than we had hoped.
But honestly for the first time in a long time which feels like forever, the team is well positioned and the roster is basically a good one. All the youth can play, in MY opinion they all stick on an NBA roster for meaningful minutes.
Aside from Kemba, there are no dead contracts or overpaid players, and Kemba's is small and expiring. No albatrosses. No Joakim, Amare, Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Jerome James, Glen Rice, Antonio McDyess, Eddy Curry, etc (the list is endless) multi year disasters. I believe Rose and Noel will be back and contribute and are plus players on short contracts away.
Even Randle has value in spite of this year's regression. It's basically the *opposite* of the Isiah years of multiple ****ty contracts (all of them?)
And the team has all it's own picks going forward, plus others as a bonus. So many, they'll have to trade some to consolidate. I think the future is bright, or at least has potential to be. It's not a championship squad, but it's not hopeless like so many years in the past either.
this FO hasnt been perfect, but they seem to have a very good grasp on the draft and I like their ability to find young players who can play and have at least one part of their game or ability that makes them difference makers. I like RJ/Mitch (already here) but Obi/Sims/Grimes/McBride/IQ have all had good moments in the rotation. That is pretty wild, and I think IQ/Obi have pretty high ceilings.

FA/trades havent been impressive but like you mentioned they havent done anything stupid either

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4/20/2022  5:22 PM
To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.
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4/20/2022  5:55 PM
TPercy wrote:To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.

No- I tend to think you can blame the FO for going into this season with Kemba and Rose as the PG options. Both guys with long histories of being unavailable, and what happened? One thing to gamble on Kemba, another to rely on him.

They should have signed Payton back as a third string stop gap- we might have made the play offs. Or Payton sucks and we're still where we are.

I'd say the FO was kinda lazy about filling our PG hole.
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franco12 wrote:
TPercy wrote:To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.

No- I tend to think you can blame the FO for going into this season with Kemba and Rose as the PG options. Both guys with long histories of being unavailable, and what happened? One thing to gamble on Kemba, another to rely on him.

They should have signed Payton back as a third string stop gap- we might have made the play offs. Or Payton sucks and we're still where we are.

I'd say the FO was kinda lazy about filling our PG hole.

What was the alternative? Lowry and Ball signed elsewhere. Payton stunk. IQ was still a fledling combo guard. It just sucked that this was the year Kemba completely broke down.

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4/20/2022  6:12 PM
franco12 wrote:
TPercy wrote:To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.

No- I tend to think you can blame the FO for going into this season with Kemba and Rose as the PG options. Both guys with long histories of being unavailable, and what happened? One thing to gamble on Kemba, another to rely on him.

They should have signed Payton back as a third string stop gap- we might have made the play offs. Or Payton sucks and we're still where we are.

I'd say the FO was kinda lazy about filling our PG hole.

Yeah but you are not caring about roster management as a whole or allowing for the consequences of it. They did take a risk and it didn't pay off. Last year, it did pay off with Rose.

You want to have 3 PGs and IQ and McBride? Who are you cutting from the roster?

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4/20/2022  7:49 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
TPercy wrote:To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.

No- I tend to think you can blame the FO for going into this season with Kemba and Rose as the PG options. Both guys with long histories of being unavailable, and what happened? One thing to gamble on Kemba, another to rely on him.

They should have signed Payton back as a third string stop gap- we might have made the play offs. Or Payton sucks and we're still where we are.

I'd say the FO was kinda lazy about filling our PG hole.

Yeah but you are not caring about roster management as a whole or allowing for the consequences of it. They did take a risk and it didn't pay off. Last year, it did pay off with Rose.

You want to have 3 PGs and IQ and McBride? Who are you cutting from the roster?

Maybe you don't sign Noel and sign another PG instead. Again - I'm not saying Ball. But get me someone like a Langston Galloway so we don't have to march Burks out as our starting PG.

Emmanual Mudiay would have worked for me - just some extra end of bench PGs that are break glass in case of emergency and have experience in the NBA as PGs. Anything out of McBride and IQ would be gravy.
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You did not just suggest solving our pg situation with guys who aren't NBA players...
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4/20/2022  8:23 PM
franco12 wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
TPercy wrote:To be honest you can't even fault the FO for the decisions they made. They kept the guys who were playing well to establish continuity and took a small gamble on Fournier and Kemba, who on paper were much better offensive players than Payton and Bullock and this knicks time was in dire need of offensive improvement. No matter the way we look at things, we were always going to regress this year with most teams taking a big jump with new draft picks/guys coming back from injury.

No- I tend to think you can blame the FO for going into this season with Kemba and Rose as the PG options. Both guys with long histories of being unavailable, and what happened? One thing to gamble on Kemba, another to rely on him.

They should have signed Payton back as a third string stop gap- we might have made the play offs. Or Payton sucks and we're still where we are.

I'd say the FO was kinda lazy about filling our PG hole.

Yeah but you are not caring about roster management as a whole or allowing for the consequences of it. They did take a risk and it didn't pay off. Last year, it did pay off with Rose.

You want to have 3 PGs and IQ and McBride? Who are you cutting from the roster?

Maybe you don't sign Noel and sign another PG instead. Again - I'm not saying Ball. But get me someone like a Langston Galloway so we don't have to march Burks out as our starting PG.

Emmanual Mudiay would have worked for me - just some extra end of bench PGs that are break glass in case of emergency and have experience in the NBA as PGs. Anything out of McBride and IQ would be gravy.

lol maybe reach deep into the bag and try Elf? All those guys you listed are worse than Burks.

Everyone knew Mitch was coming off foot surgery so don't sign Noel and create the same problem you are trying to solve at PG for the C position?

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4/20/2022  8:31 PM
TPercy wrote:You did not just suggest solving our pg situation with guys who aren't NBA players...

Do I need to use google to make a list?

Langston Galloway.
Dennis Schroder
Elfrid Payton

I'm not saying there was a FA available to us that would fix the problem.

My point is, if you're job is to find a PG and you sign 2 guys with the injury history of Rose and Kemba, then expect failure.

That doesn't even touch on the issue you signed Kemba and I think it's a question of whether they even consulted Thibs.

And if we don't do something to fix the PG this off season, then expect another middling performance next season as well.

IQ might have a future at PG. But you can't count on it next year, not yet.
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4/20/2022  9:33 PM
Do you remember the intro news conference when Kemba was asked if he would sit in back to back games and Thibs off screen said "Oh, he's playing"? I don't think Thibs makes that comment unless he had already gotten some assurances from Kemba that he could. Explains why Thibs felt it necessary a month in to make that weird announcement that Kemba was out of the rotation. I think Thibs felt he had been misled.
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