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martin
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4/1/2022  9:51 AM
Obi shooting near 38% from 3pt land for March on his highest volume shooting month across the year. It's a super good sign.
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4/1/2022  11:13 AM
jrodmc wrote:Obi shoots around 30% from three!
Oh wait, that sucks!
Obi is a really great HOF-level cutter!
Oh wait, that was Burks hitting him with the pass in that highlight! Against one of the worst rim defenses in the league!
All Obi needs is CP3 or Trae. Oh wait, there's only two of them in the league!

Next up - Obi runs faster than everyone else!
Especially RandleJuice!

Coming Soon: Obi's defense - shhhhhhhhhh Be quiet!

What the **** is with this deranged pumping of endless hot air into what so far amounts to this decade's version of Kenny SkyWalker?

Love the dunks, by the way.

Kenny Walker started 64 of 68 games in his first year and 61 of 82 in his 2nd year with an average of 26 mins per. Knicks gave Walker every opportunity to fail before pulling the plug. Obi hasn't been given those same opportunities, consistently. There was a recent 5 game stretch where Obi played 25 minutes per and put up 14 and 6 on 65% shooting from the field.

Obi doesn't need Chris Paul to excel, just an actual PG that can see the floor and maybe anticipate a play before it develops. Burks may hit Obi on 1 out of every 4 basket cuts....

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4/1/2022  11:15 AM
martin wrote:Obi shooting near 38% from 3pt land for March on his highest volume shooting month across the year. It's a super good sign.

Great stat...Confidence and consistent minutes can do wonders for a player.

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4/1/2022  1:27 PM
jrodmc wrote:Obi shoots around 30% from three!
Oh wait, that sucks!
Obi is a really great HOF-level cutter!
Oh wait, that was Burks hitting him with the pass in that highlight! Against one of the worst rim defenses in the league!
All Obi needs is CP3 or Trae. Oh wait, there's only two of them in the league!

Next up - Obi runs faster than everyone else!
Especially RandleJuice!

Coming Soon: Obi's defense - shhhhhhhhhh Be quiet!

What the **** is with this deranged pumping of endless hot air into what so far amounts to this decade's version of Kenny SkyWalker?

Love the dunks, by the way.

jrodmc wrote:"Clutch" RJ is about as relevant now as "Plane to the gym"...
I'm in no way trading him at this point, but he's become the king of the 1 for N three point shooting stat.

Sort of like Frankie was the 0-0-0 king...


The Randle love as well as the Obi and RJ hate runs deep in you.

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4/1/2022  1:40 PM
foosballnick wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Obi shoots around 30% from three!
Oh wait, that sucks!
Obi is a really great HOF-level cutter!
Oh wait, that was Burks hitting him with the pass in that highlight! Against one of the worst rim defenses in the league!
All Obi needs is CP3 or Trae. Oh wait, there's only two of them in the league!

Next up - Obi runs faster than everyone else!
Especially RandleJuice!

Coming Soon: Obi's defense - shhhhhhhhhh Be quiet!

What the **** is with this deranged pumping of endless hot air into what so far amounts to this decade's version of Kenny SkyWalker?

Love the dunks, by the way.

jrodmc wrote:"Clutch" RJ is about as relevant now as "Plane to the gym"...
I'm in no way trading him at this point, but he's become the king of the 1 for N three point shooting stat.

Sort of like Frankie was the 0-0-0 king...


The Randle love as well as the Obi and RJ hate runs deep in you.

DAYYYYUM!!! How the hell did you find that post! Excellent work foosball! I don't know whether to be honored, offended, or just plain creeped out... LMAO

I don't get credit for the smilie-based sarcasm? Only thing I've ever "hated" about RJ is that stand and pose 3. And I do plead guilty for spending too much time staring at RJ's 3pt stats this season, while ignoring Randle's.

My recent Obi posts are really just reactionary to the Randle/Thibs hate that runs strong on the dark side of the UK...

I like Sims! I love IQ! I really love Grimes! Do I get any credit for that??!!

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4/1/2022  3:36 PM
jrodmc wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Obi shoots around 30% from three!
Oh wait, that sucks!
Obi is a really great HOF-level cutter!
Oh wait, that was Burks hitting him with the pass in that highlight! Against one of the worst rim defenses in the league!
All Obi needs is CP3 or Trae. Oh wait, there's only two of them in the league!

Next up - Obi runs faster than everyone else!
Especially RandleJuice!

Coming Soon: Obi's defense - shhhhhhhhhh Be quiet!

What the **** is with this deranged pumping of endless hot air into what so far amounts to this decade's version of Kenny SkyWalker?

Love the dunks, by the way.

jrodmc wrote:"Clutch" RJ is about as relevant now as "Plane to the gym"...
I'm in no way trading him at this point, but he's become the king of the 1 for N three point shooting stat.

Sort of like Frankie was the 0-0-0 king...


The Randle love as well as the Obi and RJ hate runs deep in you.

DAYYYYUM!!! How the hell did you find that post! Excellent work foosball! I don't know whether to be honored, offended, or just plain creeped out... LMAO

I don't get credit for the smilie-based sarcasm? Only thing I've ever "hated" about RJ is that stand and pose 3. And I do plead guilty for spending too much time staring at RJ's 3pt stats this season, while ignoring Randle's.

My recent Obi posts are really just reactionary to the Randle/Thibs hate that runs strong on the dark side of the UK...

I like Sims! I love IQ! I really love Grimes! Do I get any credit for that??!!

Only if you leave a small amount of love in your heart for Deuce

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4/1/2022  11:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2022  11:46 PM
There was a big hole in the rotation for a back up big to share with Randle and Robinson. At the beginning of the season there was some talk about Randle playing with Obi. That never worked out and the fact that Jericho Sims out worked Obi for those minutes shouldn't be overlooked.

Obi won't be able to sign a decent second contract backing up Randle so they should trade one or the other this offseason.
Randle+Fournier=Westbrook or
Obi+Kemba+Noel+Burks+2022 1st round pick, 2023 Dallas+ 2 2023 2nd picks= Dame Lillard

Lillard/ Rose
Fournier/ IQ
Barrett/ Grimes
Randle/ Reddish
Robinson/ ??? Sims/ Gibson/ Draft pick/ MLE signing

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4/3/2022  11:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2022  11:12 AM

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

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4/3/2022  11:22 AM
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

I wish Beer would say how many games that entailed. I Think 7?
Stats can be bent to satisfy the gullible who seek vindication. What do you seek Clear?
You want all the kids to play and get a chance. we all want that. But reality is not based on projections.

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4/3/2022  11:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2022  11:50 AM
Nalod wrote:
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

I wish Beer would say how many games that entailed. I Think 7?
Stats can be bent to satisfy the gullible who seek vindication. What do you seek Clear?
You want all the kids to play and get a chance. we all want that. But reality is not based on projections.

The bait worked too well. I know the sample size is small. I loved that sample size was the first thing you brought up because that is the real point of my post. Obi's sample size should be much bigger and it would be if Thibs would actually make more common sense adjustments. There were many games this season where Obi had similar stats as those posted if you scale it to time played but he only got 8 to 12 minutes. A good portion of those games Randle was playing poorly. In those circumstances why was Obi not given more time? There lies my main problem with Thibs. His lack of adjustments are a major issue. In any single game no matter how good Obi plays or how bad Randle plays it does not matter. Obi will never get a fair shot to contribute as long as Thibs is the coach because he has a set rotation and he will stick to it.

Edit: The reason why I added the backup QB part was because Thibs went out of his way to make that comment to defend not even given Obi more time even during a bad Randle slump.

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4/3/2022  12:20 PM
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

Which is how many exactly? Who was his competition?

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4/3/2022  12:51 PM
We have also seen OBI stink up the place and not play well. The asusmption is he should have been given a chance.
Randle was All NBA. Should he not been given his minutes to rectify and play well? The point for Thibs might have been to get Randle back on track.
To yank him, change it up for this COY is not the path to a strong finish for the season. Did it work? Randle did play better as did the team but not enough.
DId OBI really play well enough to change Thibs mind? Not enough.

Does that make it right or wrong? Or Subjective to ones point of view? Give OBI more and he'll doe more? Perhaps. Thibs also has to consider his second unit chemistry and not mess with that too much.
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4/3/2022  1:26 PM
TPercy wrote:
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

Which is how many exactly? Who was his competition?

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4/3/2022  2:57 PM
Clean wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

I wish Beer would say how many games that entailed. I Think 7?
Stats can be bent to satisfy the gullible who seek vindication. What do you seek Clear?
You want all the kids to play and get a chance. we all want that. But reality is not based on projections.

The bait worked too well. I know the sample size is small. I loved that sample size was the first thing you brought up because that is the real point of my post. Obi's sample size should be much bigger and it would be if Thibs would actually make more common sense adjustments. There were many games this season where Obi had similar stats as those posted if you scale it to time played but he only got 8 to 12 minutes. A good portion of those games Randle was playing poorly. In those circumstances why was Obi not given more time? There lies my main problem with Thibs. His lack of adjustments are a major issue. In any single game no matter how good Obi plays or how bad Randle plays it does not matter. Obi will never get a fair shot to contribute as long as Thibs is the coach because he has a set rotation and he will stick to it.

Edit: The reason why I added the backup QB part was because Thibs went out of his way to make that comment to defend not even given Obi more time even during a bad Randle slump.

I thought “gullible” might have been harsh. I was not. I was thinking Obi Started 6 games.
Beer knows there are guys out there that will eat this up. You did.

3 games and Beer does not bring that up? Did Obi’s 25 min games not give the agenda enough? Beer loves to put out stats and quips that make Thibs look bad. What about his 6 starts?
You love to repost all kinds of things that go “look, see?”
Trying to hard to make Thibs look bad. Trust me, he don’t need your help.


Whats my agenda? Don’t bull**** the UK fan base. We all want to win and don’t like when posters make **** up.
We all want all knicks to do well. Not sure why we have to make **** up to look good.

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4/3/2022  8:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

I wish Beer would say how many games that entailed. I Think 7?
Stats can be bent to satisfy the gullible who seek vindication. What do you seek Clear?
You want all the kids to play and get a chance. we all want that. But reality is not based on projections.

Also, how many points did he give up?

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4/3/2022  10:01 PM
Another way to put it… I want to watch when Obi is playing. When Randle is in…. Let me see what else is on.
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4/4/2022  7:00 AM
The thing about Obi is to me he is a system guy - he has to get his points within the flow of the game. Randle perhaps to his detriment can get points however, with or without the offensive flow.

So when an opposing team stops you, Randle will still get his, and Obi might not be able to produce the same output.

You do need both.

And we have, I think, seen more from Obi in terms of his ability to get production in 1 on 1 situations.

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4/4/2022  8:15 AM
martin wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Clean wrote:

Not bad for someone who routinely gets 8 to 12 minutes a game. Not bad for a "backup Quarterback". I think Quick's development as a PG has also greatly helped Obi. It's even more impressive when you remember how little NBA experience he has.

Which is how many exactly? Who was his competition?

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/toppiob01/gamelog/2022

4 games, not that it changes anything. Still a small sample size

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4/4/2022  8:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2022  8:44 AM
yes, randle is an iso guy and you need iso guys in crunchtime.
If obi is to step up and was a thrid or 4th option and left open he has to hit that shot at league average. If he passes the shot is he moving the ball by dribble creating space for a proper pass. Downhill as he excels at is not always there at games end.

I did not watch the last two games. Not yesterdays Magic laugher so Im not all in on OBI as new starter as he did well vs. Magic Jr. Varsity. But its still NBA and won’t discount it.

Reality is here might be a trade for Randle that makes sense for us. Maybe Jules gets to go home to Dallas and we get Brunson and be done with hit. Move OBI to start and away we go.
Mitch and Fornier, add a 1st round for Ayton?
Start Grimes and bring Cam off the bench.
Wow! I jettisoned both Randle and Evan off the team? LOL,
I have no idea if Randle wants to go “back home”. At the same time the “MaverKnicks” seem like a comfortable place for exKnicks to go to.

BUt………………Does Thibs and staff think IQ is a future Starter?
If other teams were instersted in playing Randle a different way what is that, and can we do that?
Did Randle after chicago game become frustrated because he reinjured the Quad and his body language was misinterpreted? Did he say he was done as a knick, was that specific what he said or was it more referenced to this season?

I know all were quick to refute and defuse it the next day but knicks and most NBA teams don’t talk about **** like this. The season is not done and there is no benefit to airing dirty laundry. We’ll learn more off season and obviously in June when draft, free agency and trades commence.

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4/4/2022  8:36 AM
Nalod wrote:yes, randle is an iso guy and you need iso guys in crunchtime.
If he was a thrid or 4th option and left open he has to hit that shot at league average. If he passes the shot is he moving the ball by dribble creating space for a proper pass. Downhill as he excels at is not always there at games end.

I did not watch the last two games. Not yesterdays Magic laugher so Im not all in on OBI as new starter as he did well vs. Magic Jr. Varsity. But its still NBA and won’t discount it.

Reality is here might be a trade for Randle that makes sense for us. Maybe Jules gets to go home to Dallas and we get Brunson and be done with hit. Move OBI to start and away we go.
Mitch and Fornier, add a 1st round for Ayton? Start Grimes and bring Cam off the bench.
Wow! I jettisoned both Randle and Evan off the team? LOL,
I have no idea if Randle wants to go “back home”. At the same time the “MaverKnicks” seem like a comfortable place for exKnicks to go to.

BUt………………Does Thibs and staff think IQ is a future Starter?
If other teams were instersted in playing Randle a different way what is that, and can we do that?
Did Randle after chicago game become frustrated because he reinjured the Quad and his body language was misinterpreted? Did he say he was done as a knick, was that specific what he said or was it more referenced to this season?

I know all were quick to refute and defuse it the next day but knicks and most NBA teams don’t talk about **** like this. The season is not done and there is no benefit to airing dirty laundry. We’ll learn more off season and obviously in June when draft, free agency and trades commence.

Any sign and trade deal with Dallas much include Pinson coming back this way!

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