fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:We kinda have enough PFs and Brogdon is OK. Like if Burks were a slightly better PG he could be Brogdon. He's hurt a ton, isnt athletic and isnt a real move the needle guy. He's a nice shooter. I mean it the PG version of Burks so I dont really see the love

The love comes from lack of reasonable options for the Knicks.

thats not love. Thats desperation and a lack of patience. When you learn the difference you will see why guys like Turner and midget are not where you throw your resources. You can see the carousel going round and round. Knicks get Turner and Brogden, maybe get a little better and have a good year like we had last year ending in a first round exit follow by a sub .500 year followed by "we gotta fire the coach" followed by... 20 goto 10

For many fans a path to include an established to plug in and assume their past success is given. Not their short comings.
The true path is things we can’t see. Its logical.

Lets talk about Trades, I like Mitch for Brunson despite it might cost us a pick to do so. Brunson had an awful game vs. us and like a youtube video some might have made a determination on that. What he does int he paint is a bit Tony parker like. He does it close to the ground as well. Crafty but with range. What chemistry can that bring to Randle to get some easier shots, Fornier who thrives when he does not have create too much, or a down hill RJ cutting thru the lane.
Dallas got Dinwiddie and thus Brunson is expendable if they can use him via trade.

I like mitch a lot and hope we can keep him or retain as trade value. But **** happens and I get why we couldn’t pay him more, or trade him given his foot and pending free agent status. Why pay up for him when you can get him as Free agent? thats why he was not valuable via trade.

Brogden is a good player... he's not so good where he moves the needle much beyond what we have. He's not helped Indy much (winning). He's a nice rotation guy. We have those. We need impact guys (if we are spending)

I agree he's not a "star." But I think any competent ball handler with decent ball IQ and shot creation would go a long way in this team. The team needs to find a way to shift game management responsibilities away from RJ/Randle/Burks. Brogdan would definitely move the needle if he stays on the court. I just wouldn't give up the farm. Obi or Can and a protected first-rounder

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:We kinda have enough PFs and Brogdon is OK. Like if Burks were a slightly better PG he could be Brogdon. He's hurt a ton, isnt athletic and isnt a real move the needle guy. He's a nice shooter. I mean it the PG version of Burks so I dont really see the love

The love comes from lack of reasonable options for the Knicks.

thats not love. Thats desperation and a lack of patience. When you learn the difference you will see why guys like Turner and midget are not where you throw your resources. You can see the carousel going round and round. Knicks get Turner and Brogden, maybe get a little better and have a good year like we had last year ending in a first round exit follow by a sub .500 year followed by "we gotta fire the coach" followed by... 20 goto 10

For many fans a path to include an established to plug in and assume their past success is given. Not their short comings.
The true path is things we can’t see. Its logical.

Lets talk about Trades, I like Mitch for Brunson despite it might cost us a pick to do so. Brunson had an awful game vs. us and like a youtube video some might have made a determination on that. What he does int he paint is a bit Tony parker like. He does it close to the ground as well. Crafty but with range. What chemistry can that bring to Randle to get some easier shots, Fornier who thrives when he does not have create too much, or a down hill RJ cutting thru the lane.
Dallas got Dinwiddie and thus Brunson is expendable if they can use him via trade.

I like mitch a lot and hope we can keep him or retain as trade value. But **** happens and I get why we couldn’t pay him more, or trade him given his foot and pending free agent status. Why pay up for him when you can get him as Free agent? thats why he was not valuable via trade.

Brogden is a good player... he's not so good where he moves the needle much beyond what we have. He's not helped Indy much (winning). He's a nice rotation guy. We have those. We need impact guys (if we are spending)

I agree he's not a "star." But I think any competent ball handler with decent ball IQ and shot creation would go a long way in this team. The team needs to find a way to shift game management responsibilities away from RJ/Randle/Burks. Brogdan would definitely move the needle if he stays on the court. I just wouldn't give up the farm. Obi or Can and a protected first-rounder

I'm hoping IQ can make that same jump Tyrese Maxey has done this past year. Then you'd have Rose and McBride off bench.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:We kinda have enough PFs and Brogdon is OK. Like if Burks were a slightly better PG he could be Brogdon. He's hurt a ton, isnt athletic and isnt a real move the needle guy. He's a nice shooter. I mean it the PG version of Burks so I dont really see the love

The love comes from lack of reasonable options for the Knicks.

thats not love. Thats desperation and a lack of patience. When you learn the difference you will see why guys like Turner and midget are not where you throw your resources. You can see the carousel going round and round. Knicks get Turner and Brogden, maybe get a little better and have a good year like we had last year ending in a first round exit follow by a sub .500 year followed by "we gotta fire the coach" followed by... 20 goto 10

For many fans a path to include an established to plug in and assume their past success is given. Not their short comings.
The true path is things we can’t see. Its logical.

Lets talk about Trades, I like Mitch for Brunson despite it might cost us a pick to do so. Brunson had an awful game vs. us and like a youtube video some might have made a determination on that. What he does int he paint is a bit Tony parker like. He does it close to the ground as well. Crafty but with range. What chemistry can that bring to Randle to get some easier shots, Fornier who thrives when he does not have create too much, or a down hill RJ cutting thru the lane.
Dallas got Dinwiddie and thus Brunson is expendable if they can use him via trade.

I like mitch a lot and hope we can keep him or retain as trade value. But **** happens and I get why we couldn’t pay him more, or trade him given his foot and pending free agent status. Why pay up for him when you can get him as Free agent? thats why he was not valuable via trade.

Brogden is a good player... he's not so good where he moves the needle much beyond what we have. He's not helped Indy much (winning). He's a nice rotation guy. We have those. We need impact guys (if we are spending)

I agree he's not a "star." But I think any competent ball handler with decent ball IQ and shot creation would go a long way in this team. The team needs to find a way to shift game management responsibilities away from RJ/Randle/Burks. Brogdan would definitely move the needle if he stays on the court. I just wouldn't give up the farm. Obi or Can and a protected first-rounder

I'm hoping IQ can make that same jump Tyrese Maxey has done this past year. Then you'd have Rose and McBride off bench.

I didnt think it was possible after that slump earlier but damn IQ really looks like he's getting it and he really plays both ends

Yeah, can't write IQ off yet. That said, can't feel comfortable with him starting until he shows more consistency.