martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can’t play these guys so many minutes. His legs are tired and his shots off.Reddish was fine could’ve played 5-7 minutes more. Coach has been doing Tgis every club he’s on. He’s gotta follow what other good coaches do MANAGE your players minutes better
Another 16 point lead blown.

I really don’t understand the minutes allocation Thibs is using. I’d really like some insight - just as a fan - just so I don’t have to sit here thinking it is shortsighted and stupid.

Thing is, if they were winning, it was fubar. Now that they are on a 7 game losing streak, it just seems lazy and misguided. If it’s a tank, stop burning out Barrett and Randle. If it’s not a tank, stop burning out Barrett and Randle. Game theory implies Thibs is just running these guys into the ground.

I have a hard time trying to understand Thibs on this.

Is Thibs old school, and thinks guys can go long on minutes?

Does he trust certain players?

Does he think players can play through their struggles, get over the hump by soldiering on?

Does he view his allocation of playing time as a reward for players doing well in practice?

RJ averaging 33 minutes a game this year. Plays a couple of 40 minute games and suddenly the world is going mad?

I guess there is nothing left to do but complain about anything?

At some point a coach has to say a player doesn't have it in a given game, and even though the player you turn to could be inferior on a talent basis, you have to make a switch.

That, and because of his recent injury, clearly when a player is struggling performance wise, his body might be tired, and he could suffer another injury.

We can't win games that cost us.

we have Cam and Obi that should have been able to give us minutes. I get it, that we might lose- Thibs doesn't want to do that. But maybe we'd have won.

I don't mind RJ playing big minutes if he is hot and is having his way. But if he is physically spent or performing horribly, sit him. I'd rather get a good shot from Obi or Cam than a bad shot from RJ. That is me and my thinking.

RJ isn't Michael Jordan or Derrek Rose.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Can’t play these guys so many minutes. His legs are tired and his shots off.Reddish was fine could’ve played 5-7 minutes more. Coach has been doing Tgis every club he’s on. He’s gotta follow what other good coaches do MANAGE your players minutes better
Another 16 point lead blown.

I really don’t understand the minutes allocation Thibs is using. I’d really like some insight - just as a fan - just so I don’t have to sit here thinking it is shortsighted and stupid.

Thing is, if they were winning, it was fubar. Now that they are on a 7 game losing streak, it just seems lazy and misguided. If it’s a tank, stop burning out Barrett and Randle. If it’s not a tank, stop burning out Barrett and Randle. Game theory implies Thibs is just running these guys into the ground.

I have a hard time trying to understand Thibs on this.

Is Thibs old school, and thinks guys can go long on minutes?

Does he trust certain players?

Does he think players can play through their struggles, get over the hump by soldiering on?

Does he view his allocation of playing time as a reward for players doing well in practice?

RJ averaging 33 minutes a game this year. Plays a couple of 40 minute games and suddenly the world is going mad?

I guess there is nothing left to do but complain about anything?

44 minutes shooting 23% makes you wonder if the kid just needs a breather, no?

Just saying, different game but he was. +36 in 32 minutes last night. I’m not indicting careers or claiming this will continue if his minutes are 32 instead of 44, but the other young guys, Quick, Cam, Sims and McBride were doing pretty good.

Nalod wrote:RJ is not getting over played. His minutes are not up there with others. Look at them BTW. THere is a world of stats that are not Knicks and only knicks.

Rj playmaking now? Oh ****, this is getting real. We gave the keys to him. Chemistry wise this does mess with Randles head? Maybe. Is it Jealousy? Easy to say isn’t it. I’d think he had plenty of heads up to see it coming and got his contract to secure his family. Everything he was last year did not prepare him to be 2nd option.

This season has been about getting RJ in a postiion to grow. He has been. IQ, uneven, but doing it. Deuce? Combo guard, not PG.
Define that and now one uderstands what why he is “Being held back”. He is not, he is not skilled playmaker for the PG at the NBA level. IQ is a combo guard and in front if him.

Love Reddish is getting an opportunity and making good. Is OBI really hurt or chillng?

Outside of the Rose/Kemba minutes, I've always that McBride's biggest hurdle was not his own, it was IQ. IQ has not secured the starting spot, lots of ups and downs during the season and he was best suited with second unit until he really grabbed the starting spot. He has gotten better but not so much that he is the obvious choice, too much uncertainty with the ball in his hands, etc. Learning curve thing more than anything else. Knicks obviously want IQ to learn more with the ball in his hands.

With pseudo playmakers in Barrett and Randle on the floor, I am quite comfortable with a PG that is a 3&D guy that doesn’t necessarily need the ball to effective. If he can stay in front of athletic PGs, shoot an open three and be a 4th or 5th option on offense, I am good. Already have too few shots to go around for Fournier, Barrett, Randle.

McBride is the archetype PG that this team should have. Reddish needs to improve his 3pt percentage to be the archetype SF we need.

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The thing that I like about McBride is that he was aggressive about staying in front of his man. Yes, he is only 6’2 with a 6’8 wingspan, but he fights over screens and plays an aggressive defense that reminds me of Avery Bradley.

With pseudo playmakers in Barrett and Randle on the floor, I am quite comfortable with a PG that is a 3&D guy that doesn’t necessarily need the ball to effective. If he can stay in front of athletic PGs, shoot an open three and be a 4th or 5th option on offense, I am good. Already have too few shots to go around for Fournier, Barrett, Randle.

McBride is the archetype PG that this team should have. Reddish needs to improve his 3pt percentage to be the archetype SF we need.

Many of the reasons we liked Frank. Deuce offense is more refined but we have not seen much at this level.
In hindsight would have been good for a young frank to play free in the gleague and get up to speed.
That was then, this is now.

I guess I presume Deuce has more of a 3 than FN showed. Ntlikina had much better length and that really helped his defense. I can’t cry over missed opportunities, but I wish Ntlikina had earned that spot over Payton and worked on that 3 more.

Here, the attitude that McBride shows is a bit better. I want to see him get more minutes. I think he fits nicely next to RJ in a way that IQ hasn’t.

Philc1 wrote:Cam injured and RJ almost got a triple double last night so don’t expect a minute’s reduction anytime soon

Do you understand what RJ’s minutes are?

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The thing that I like about McBride is that he was aggressive about staying in front of his man. Yes, he is only 6’2 with a 6’8 wingspan, but he fights over screens and plays an aggressive defense that reminds me of Avery Bradley.

With pseudo playmakers in Barrett and Randle on the floor, I am quite comfortable with a PG that is a 3&D guy that doesn’t necessarily need the ball to effective. If he can stay in front of athletic PGs, shoot an open three and be a 4th or 5th option on offense, I am good. Already have too few shots to go around for Fournier, Barrett, Randle.

McBride is the archetype PG that this team should have. Reddish needs to improve his 3pt percentage to be the archetype SF we need.

Many of the reasons we liked Frank. Deuce offense is more refined but we have not seen much at this level.
In hindsight would have been good for a young frank to play free in the gleague and get up to speed.
That was then, this is now.

I guess I presume Deuce has more of a 3 than FN showed. Ntlikina had much better length and that really helped his defense. I can’t cry over missed opportunities, but I wish Ntlikina had earned that spot over Payton and worked on that 3 more.

Here, the attitude that McBride shows is a bit better. I want to see him get more minutes. I think he fits nicely next to RJ in a way that IQ hasn’t.

Deuce’s tenacity on defense is infectious. Regardless what the haters say Frank was a good defender but he relied a lot on his length where Deuce is is running and hopping all over the place showing energy on D

I think that’s right. I liked the comment above about Deuce learning to stay out of foul trouble. That tenacity is great but has to be tempered with the defensive iq to stay on the court. Like Mitch Robinson. You are right though, that tenacity separates him from FN for all the folks making that comparison.

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I still think RJ has another gear there somewhere and some room to pass a bit more once his teammates get a bit more comfortable moving without the ball in a manner that they have cohesion. Love the fact that he is attacking the basket more. Love love. Really like what Randle is doing next to him also. Wish Randle wouldn't settle for that step back or fadeaway as much. It's hard to guard, but those two could really punish the defense a little bit more.

RJ had a great game vs. dallas. Decision making is getting better via playmaking and the game is slowing down. He attacks but getting better which we see in assists. Making extra pass and moving the ball. This is easier said then done.

I saw a stat that since Jan 1st he is like 3rd in FT attemps. Last few games he is shooting 80% at the line.
Improvement.

The Right hand is getting much better. Teams can’t give that up so easy.
Also impressive is the burst to the rim. Previous to this season I was concerned he did not have that and would be a more fundamental terrestrial player. Not saying he is highwire act, but he showed me more than I expected. IM gushing like a proud father!

This was the dream, right? Elite wing player thru the draft?

Next?

Im kinda ok with this team. Randle’s head for sure is a bit of mess. He looks to be in better shape an perhaps he his to find a happy medium. He looks quick and his handle improved. My take is he can really create with those skills but was taking really hard shots at a greater frequency earlier this season. Add to that RJ’s emergence AND our PG situation I chalk this season to bad chemistry. last year we did better with less and call that “Good chemistry”.

Fans want “new chemistry”. if we can go year to year with changed chemistry, its not necessary to desire a new FO or coach. man, how profound that is! I deserves it own thread!!!!

I like that

Its the fact that he isnt a good shooter. almost 3k shots into his career... he's in the bottom 25

Fournier shoots a higher %. And most ofg yall hate EF.

Dolanite KNicks picked a rotational guy at #3. smfh

losmeister wrote:Rj's problem isnt his minutes.

Its the fact that he isnt a good shooter. almost 3k shots into his career... he's in the bottom 25

Fournier shoots a higher %. And most ofg yall hate EF.

Dolanite KNicks picked a rotational guy at #3. smfh

Yes that’s half true. We hate EF defense and like his offense. He’s a 6 man paid like a starter.

RJ is finally showing his value as the 3rd best player in his draft class. Or top 5. I’m sure there are some studs picked later in his draft. But RJ is the truth.