Kemet wrote:Heck NO !!! We already invested a 3rd pick in FOOLS gold RJ Barrett who poor defense, and Ball-Stopping has loss more Knicks games than his individual-performance has won (3-7). Yes, Barrett could score on ISO moves, but his low IQ performance going down the stretch of games are worthless, I would rather have Quickley or rookie Grimes talent the final 6 min of each game.
And we invested a first-round pick in Cam Reddish because he out played RJ Barrett on offense/defense in all 5 of our post season games.
Now u want to add FAT-Boy Zion who's performance are to slow on the defensive-end to help his teammates get a Stop, plus the only offensive play he's good at is grabbing a defensive rebound and dribbling the ball up court for a dunk. Plus Zion was to raw and imature to play in the front court alongside Adam.

I’d give 21 year old Barrett more time to figure out how to lose out games as the alpha. 5 playoff games as a 20 year old is not a career. ATL was deeper and really a better team when we met them.
Reddish was traded based on those 5 games? Novel idea really.

We have also seen this season some clutch game ending shots by RJ. He demontrates the Clutch gene.
I liked Reddish potential out of college. Im not seeing the “It factor” quite yet but seems to have a lot of “Ariza” game in him. Good nose for the ball and in time could turn into a good player. HE can rise and grab a wing spot by out playing Evan and Grimes, or rise and be traded to a team that will start him. He might even go the free agency route with a arrogant self confidence but at a risk. I say that with a good angle BTW, players can control their destiny but best to just earn good minutes and keep the numbers up than words of confidence.

For all we know come draft night we use him and our pick to move up the draft and grab a desired player?

stay tuned.

As for Zion and the Pels? Bottom line is NOLA is prime for the fat child to step in and ride them and be a star. Do that, grab the extension and then get traded. Being AWAL at a fat farm or maybe even a drug treatment center is not helping. Being on the court.

We gonna blame Griff and NOLA for his weight issues and inability to stay on the court? Thats a stretch (Mark) perhaps. Lets assume there is more to this than simple conjecture.

Kemet wrote:Heck NO !!! We already invested a 3rd pick in FOOLS gold RJ Barrett who poor defense, and Ball-Stopping has loss more Knicks games than his individual-performance has won (3-7). Yes, Barrett could score on ISO moves, but his low IQ performance going down the stretch of games are worthless, I would rather have Quickley or rookie Grimes talent the final 6 min of each game.
And we invested a first-round pick in Cam Reddish because he out played RJ Barrett on offense/defense in all 5 of our post season games.
Now u want to add FAT-Boy Zion who's performance are to slow on the defensive-end to help his teammates get a Stop, plus the only offensive play he's good at is grabbing a defensive rebound and dribbling the ball up court for a dunk. Plus Zion was to raw and imature to play in the front court alongside Adam.

Just wondering how Reddish outplayed RJ on offense/defense during the Knicks-Hawks playoff series last year - when Reddish was inactive for that series due to injury.

I'm guessing that you don't even watch much of the NBA nor Knicks games and just come to this board to continually rant about Thibs and RJ. While an overweight Zion is a risky proposition. People like you seem to quickly forget how good a healthy Zion is......unstoppable in the post and is more than just defensive rebounds and dunks.

foosballnick wrote:

Kemet wrote:Heck NO !!! We already invested a 3rd pick in FOOLS gold RJ Barrett who poor defense, and Ball-Stopping has loss more Knicks games than his individual-performance has won (3-7). Yes, Barrett could score on ISO moves, but his low IQ performance going down the stretch of games are worthless, I would rather have Quickley or rookie Grimes talent the final 6 min of each game.
And we invested a first-round pick in Cam Reddish because he out played RJ Barrett on offense/defense in all 5 of our post season games.
Now u want to add FAT-Boy Zion who's performance are to slow on the defensive-end to help his teammates get a Stop, plus the only offensive play he's good at is grabbing a defensive rebound and dribbling the ball up court for a dunk. Plus Zion was to raw and imature to play in the front court alongside Adam.

Just wondering how Reddish outplayed RJ on offense/defense during the Knicks-Hawks playoff series last year - when Reddish was inactive for that series due to injury.

I'm guessing that you don't even watch much of the NBA nor Knicks games and just come to this board to continually rant about Thibs and RJ. While an overweight Zion is a risky proposition. People like you seem to quickly forget how good a healthy Zion is......unstoppable in the post and is more than just defensive rebounds and dunks.

My Bad on the postseason .. Its just that every time the Knicks play Atlanta Hawks I watch SG-Huerter SG-Bog and SF-Cam SF-Hunter all 4 players out played RJ Barrett .. and guys like u always bring up his age. I been comparing Miami Heats combo-guard Herro vs RJ Barrett since their rookie season, and Herro's 2-Way performance is twice as better than ISO Barrett's individual performance .... I be reading how so many fans (like ur self) be glorify RJ Barrett & Cam Reddish & Zion .. I never been a Duke fan .. Did the trio make it to the sweet 16 ???

You can bash RJ but to what degree? Do you want him to fail because he is a dookie? His age is important because he is ours and kicking ass. I get the Reddish hype and even worse the Zion starphuch.

What they did in college is not important. Zion had come back from Injury and the team was out of balance. RJ’s shooting could not carry them nor could Reddish’s inconsistancy. NCAA one and done is a buzzsaw waiting to happen. Run into a hot shooting team and your cooked. Its a tournament, not a validation sometimes of who is the best team. But that a different convo for a different time.

RJ’s seemingly gets better every month. He goes to his right more. Was not dunking in traffic before leading to comments about explosiveness. He is now. Shooting is getting better. He gets to the line A LOT. He’ll need to improve his % there. His chemistry with Randle is not good. Much because RJ role is changing. He is a true 21 year old who body is durable and solid.
He is having to learn much about spacing and when to take over games and not.

But, whats to argue, the stats show he is doing cool things. The stats don’t show the issues with Randle who to me is trying to be fed more down hill. Knicks are playing different. Its not working via wins but the roles down the stretch and comments by Evan demonstrate these chemistry issues. Nalod be using “chemistry” for weeks now vs indicting a specific player or coach.

Knicks have talent. That is not always enough. Knicks have good coaching. Sometimes thats not enough. The pieces don’t fit. Firing Leon does not change a thing. They will address it well or not.

BigDaddyG wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:I think this rumor is a bit bloated. It has a lot of fat on it. Although Zion would be huge here…

Oh he’ll be huge.

I hear he's practically bursting with excitement at the idea of having NY as his smorgasbord. He's rounding into shape as we speak.

Wish for some odd reason Its TRUE BIgDaddy
what do any Fan of our Knicks got to lose?
Julius Randle ?

If you tell me right now Julius Randle & lower players OR picks
Pelicans Bite on deal, I'LL take deal in Jack Flash.
I like Randle the good and bad, He will get right one day but Maybe not here in NY.

Of Course if Zion came here in Deal Tom Thibs cannot be here
ZION "in shape" of course can Change the Fortune of NBA Knicks hoop in basketball, almost
same as #33 Patrick Ewing did back in day as raw rookie #1 pick.

What you think about that Statement? If ZION secretly wants Knicks that bad
and zion has good agents they'd be able to get his BIG Ole' butt in workout room to be
back to ZION Every Basketball fan knows. ZION Can turn NBA around and our Knicks

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Granted Miami is a better team than us. They play better defense. In a vacuum Herro has to up that part of his game.
Herro was a great pick. Last season he digressed from his rookie bubble season and this year is leading 6th man. Kid is very very good. He has out played his draft position. every year there are players that do this.

You can bash RJ but to what degree? Do you want him to fail because he is a dookie? His age is important because he is ours and kicking ass. I get the Reddish hype and even worse the Zion starphuch.

What they did in college is not important. Zion had come back from Injury and the team was out of balance. RJ’s shooting could not carry them nor could Reddish’s inconsistancy. NCAA one and done is a buzzsaw waiting to happen. Run into a hot shooting team and your cooked. Its a tournament, not a validation sometimes of who is the best team. But that a different convo for a different time.

RJ’s seemingly gets better every month. He goes to his right more. Was not dunking in traffic before leading to comments about explosiveness. He is now. Shooting is getting better. He gets to the line A LOT. He’ll need to improve his % there. His chemistry with Randle is not good. Much because RJ role is changing. He is a true 21 year old who body is durable and solid.
He is having to learn much about spacing and when to take over games and not.

But, whats to argue, the stats show he is doing cool things. The stats don’t show the issues with Randle who to me is trying to be fed more down hill. Knicks are playing different. Its not working via wins but the roles down the stretch and comments by Evan demonstrate these chemistry issues. Nalod be using “chemistry” for weeks now vs indicting a specific player or coach.

Knicks have talent. That is not always enough. Knicks have good coaching. Sometimes thats not enough. The pieces don’t fit. Firing Leon does not change a thing. They will address it well or not.

Herro is an excellent offensive player but he’s a turnstile on defense

Oh no, you're all wrong. NBA Analyst and ticker tape factoid machine Kemet says Herro is much better defensively than RJ. I'm sure he's seen it. Somewhere. Maybe it's the fact that his defensive win shares are higher than his Offensive Win shares. Yeah, that's it.

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:I think this rumor is a bit bloated. It has a lot of fat on it. Although Zion would be huge here…

Oh he’ll be huge.

I hear he's practically bursting with excitement at the idea of having NY as his smorgasbord. He's rounding into shape as we speak.

I think the whole Zion thing is overinflated. All we can really do is Weight and Watch.

martin wrote:Fridays are always better with you guys around

I'm in the house I don't post much but I read you guys posts. I paid big money to get all of the Knicks games this season but I stopped watching about a month age because every time I watch a game I get heart burn.

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:I think this rumor is a bit bloated. It has a lot of fat on it. Although Zion would be huge here…

Oh he’ll be huge.

I hear he's practically bursting with excitement at the idea of having NY as his smorgasbord. He's rounding into shape as we speak.

I think the whole Zion thing is overinflated. All we can really do is Weight and Watch.

I believe he's already tipped the scales in our favor flavor.

Fixed.

And it's a heavy responsibility carrying all the weight of the Knicks world on your... back flaps?

Although I do love how he's handling it.

doomed wrote:I can't believe there are real Knicks fans that don't want to move heaven and earth to get Zion in here.

That's the guy you take risks for. If Leon is truly lying in the weeds, stockpiling all this extra crap for the big move, THIS is the move to make. Zion. Do it. And if he falls apart here you live with it. You want greatness? That's the guy. There isn't a flawless HOFer in his prime player just waiting to be gift wrapped to the Knicks. Only the Lakers and Celtics get that kind of lucky. If you want that player, you need to take the risk once in a while. Zion is that player. And from all the tea leaves HE WANTS TO BE HERE!

Agree 100%