martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

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He did say he still has pain in it. Pain after an acute injury is your body telling you it is not ready. What more do we need to know? Grant Hill played through a twisted ankle and it ruined his HOF career. It is not worth it for this team.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1496647761932046337

He did say he still has pain in it. Pain after an acute injury is your body telling you it is not ready. What more do we need to know? Grant Hill played through a twisted ankle and it ruined his HOF career. It is not worth it for this team.

“I-Am-In-Pain” emphasized. Sounds like he needs to be sidelined for awhile. The CS and FO seem really hell-bent making a run.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1496647761932046337

He did say he still has pain in it. Pain after an acute injury is your body telling you it is not ready. What more do we need to know? Grant Hill played through a twisted ankle and it ruined his HOF career. It is not worth it for this team.

“I-Am-In-Pain” emphasized. Sounds like he needs to be sidelined for awhile. The CS and FO seem really hell-bent making a run.

"I (had been) told everything was fine. I even found out that certain team doctors were questioning whether I was really hurt, thinking I was soft or whatever. This was after I had pulled myself from Game 2 against the Heat. At that time, when I found out I had broken my ankle, as crazy as this sounds, I was relieved. I finally had some confirmation, I finally had proof that I'm really not making it up."

I am not suggesting RJ's ankle is broken, but our medical staff doesn't have an especially good track record over the years. I would rather hear he is pain free when he returns.

foosballnick wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

At least try to be accurate, its really not that hard to take a closer look. McBride has played in 21 games but meaningful NBA minutes in only 5 games. The other 16 games he has played about 31 minutes combined, or less than 2 mpg in garbage time or on defense at the end of a half.

In the 5 games he played meaningful minutes he had 2 good games (against GSW and Detroit) and an excellent game against Houston. He flopped against OKC and Toronto but only played 15 mins vs Toronto. None of us know for sure why he is not playing. Maybe he's a punk or an f-up at practice or not very bright. But nobody is perfect, not even COTY so its also possible that this is a blind spot for Thibs as well. Point is, basketball is entertainment and its not very entertaining -at least for me - to continue to watch Burks play out of position as a full time point guard / lead guard. Note that although Burks is 4th (not 3rd) best 3 point shooter on the team - his stats have been uneven and down since late December when he started the position switch.

Grimes has a better 3 pt average than Burks. Was a time where he was buried on the end of the bench. By your reasoning he should not have been given any minutes in "REAL GAMES".

I just don't get the hate for Burks. It's almost like people love Deuce, which is fine, but they need an Elf replacement to **** on and create an empty space. And with DRose coming back, it's probably a moot point anyway.

And after mind farting all this, I actually do really hope McBride somehow gets in the rotation and kicks ass. Right next to Grimes. Just don't know what that means for IQ. Nice problems to have though.

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

At least try to be accurate, its really not that hard to take a closer look. McBride has played in 21 games but meaningful NBA minutes in only 5 games. The other 16 games he has played about 31 minutes combined, or less than 2 mpg in garbage time or on defense at the end of a half.

In the 5 games he played meaningful minutes he had 2 good games (against GSW and Detroit) and an excellent game against Houston. He flopped against OKC and Toronto but only played 15 mins vs Toronto. None of us know for sure why he is not playing. Maybe he's a punk or an f-up at practice or not very bright. But nobody is perfect, not even COTY so its also possible that this is a blind spot for Thibs as well. Point is, basketball is entertainment and its not very entertaining -at least for me - to continue to watch Burks play out of position as a full time point guard / lead guard. Note that although Burks is 4th (not 3rd) best 3 point shooter on the team - his stats have been uneven and down since late December when he started the position switch.

Grimes has a better 3 pt average than Burks. Was a time where he was buried on the end of the bench. By your reasoning he should not have been given any minutes in "REAL GAMES".

Nobody said COTY has to be perfect. Just a wild guess that he sure knows more about McDeuce than fans on the internet, who cherry pick games, ignore McBride's total stats and say things like "blind spot" followed up by noticing that the same imperfect COTY is playing Grimes. Grimes came in and played lock down D, kicked ass even in garbage time, and shot the ball like John Wick on crack. Not sure how blind spot Thibs sees that but is missing the value of playing Deuce over the third best 3 pt shooter on the team who obviously plays better D in practice and probably isn't an f-up at practice and certainly is bright enough to get playing time in the league.

I just don't get the hate for Burks. It's almost like people love Deuce, which is fine, but they need an Elf replacement to **** on and create an empty space. And with DRose coming back, it's probably a moot point anyway.

And after mind farting all this, I actually do really hope McBride somehow gets in the rotation and kicks ass. Right next to Grimes. Just don't know what that means for IQ. Nice problems to have though.

Yea, I don't agree with the Thibs knows a lot about a player stuff. I have said this a lot but it is important to remember that the same Grimes that he loves now would still be getting DNPs and spotty garbage time with McBride if not for Covid and Injuries. Even though Thibs likes to lie and say it was his play in practice.

Even if we want to go with the he must not be playing well in practice angle. Thibs himself said McBride was doing "great" in practice and still can't sniff the floor.

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I can't speak for others but I think the Burks hate comes from him playing PG. He is not a PG and is a terrible PG when used there. It hurts us doubly because like Quick his shooting numbers take a nose dive when he plays PG. So now we don't even have him as a clutch wing off the bench anymore.

Nalod wrote:Nobody is stepping up and grabbing it from Burks. Simple.
There is no reason to think causual fans know better. If and when he gets the chance and does well im sure some of you will say "See, told you".
Nope. Thats Thibs being patient. Sorry, fans don't get credit.

I think we have a winner here.

It's not rocket science.

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

At least try to be accurate, its really not that hard to take a closer look. McBride has played in 21 games but meaningful NBA minutes in only 5 games. The other 16 games he has played about 31 minutes combined, or less than 2 mpg in garbage time or on defense at the end of a half.

In the 5 games he played meaningful minutes he had 2 good games (against GSW and Detroit) and an excellent game against Houston. He flopped against OKC and Toronto but only played 15 mins vs Toronto. None of us know for sure why he is not playing. Maybe he's a punk or an f-up at practice or not very bright. But nobody is perfect, not even COTY so its also possible that this is a blind spot for Thibs as well. Point is, basketball is entertainment and its not very entertaining -at least for me - to continue to watch Burks play out of position as a full time point guard / lead guard. Note that although Burks is 4th (not 3rd) best 3 point shooter on the team - his stats have been uneven and down since late December when he started the position switch.

Grimes has a better 3 pt average than Burks. Was a time where he was buried on the end of the bench. By your reasoning he should not have been given any minutes in "REAL GAMES".

Nobody said COTY has to be perfect. Just a wild guess that he sure knows more about McDeuce than fans on the internet, who cherry pick games, ignore McBride's total stats and say things like "blind spot" followed up by noticing that the same imperfect COTY is playing Grimes. Grimes came in and played lock down D, kicked ass even in garbage time, and shot the ball like John Wick on crack. Not sure how blind spot Thibs sees that but is missing the value of playing Deuce over the third best 3 pt shooter on the team who obviously plays better D in practice and probably isn't an f-up at practice and certainly is bright enough to get playing time in the league.

I just don't get the hate for Burks. It's almost like people love Deuce, which is fine, but they need an Elf replacement to **** on and create an empty space. And with DRose coming back, it's probably a moot point anyway.

And after mind farting all this, I actually do really hope McBride somehow gets in the rotation and kicks ass. Right next to Grimes. Just don't know what that means for IQ. Nice problems to have though.

Please list the stats that have been cherry picked and what stats you have a problem with from McBride? For instance, not sure if you are looking at his per game stats - when he basically got under 2 mpg in most of his games. Point is, he's played 15 minutes plus in 5 games and performed well in 3 of them. He's played an average of 2 minutes in 16 other games - not sure how any fan would know anything about a player who plays that little in a game.

You seem to like to argue the extremes. I'm not sure who is hating on Burks - but I'm certainly not. He is playing out of position and it is effecting both his shooting and his efficiency. I want the efficient handle and smooth shooting Burks on the wing. People want to see McBride because the team is 3-13 in the last 16 games and the rotation at PG is obviously not working. I'm not sure what the hurry is to bring back Rose - except to make a push for the 10th spot play-in. Is that what the team really needs in terms of helping to build for next year and beyond?

You've shown revisionist history on Grimes. He was used sparingly and in an uneven way by Thibs and really did not play consistently well until he was given steady minutes on the court due to shortage of other players (COVID)

Grime first 2 games he did nothing - except hit one shot and was a -7 combined.

He Thibs sat him for 6 games

He then played 2 games in garbage time and hit 2 shots total and was another -7 combined

He Thibs sat him for another 6 games

In his next 6 games he played uneven minutes and was a combined 2 for 9 shooting overall and was a net 0 in +/-

The next game he played 12 minutes and shot 2 for 4 in garbage time loss to Denver and was +9

He then played only eight seconds in a win over SAS

Next game he played less than 4 minutes in a loss to Indy - hit one shot and was a +5

Then Thibs gave him a DNP

Then he played significant minutes (39+) against Milwaukee in a loss

He was out with COVID for 4 games

Thibs gave him a DNP against Washington

and finally......then started his run of significant playing time per game

Point is, for all the accolades you throw Grimes way - Thibs did not play him consistently until basically forced to because the team was short-handed. I would argue the same for Deuce. He really needs actual consistent PT before any of us will know his actual value.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1496647761932046337

He did say he still has pain in it. Pain after an acute injury is your body telling you it is not ready. What more do we need to know? Grant Hill played through a twisted ankle and it ruined his HOF career. It is not worth it for this team.

Well none of us are podiatrists. Not all ankle sprains are the same. Sometimes it’s actually better to stay active while having a sprained ankle because you keep the rotation and heat going to that part of the body kinda similar to having a bad back

Would I personally play RJ right now? No I think the season is over it should be about giving other young players minutes and development plus I think Zion is coming here next summer

Philc1 wrote:What’s an ancle?

I post from my phone and made a typo. It should have been an ankle

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1496647761932046337

He did say he still has pain in it. Pain after an acute injury is your body telling you it is not ready. What more do we need to know? Grant Hill played through a twisted ankle and it ruined his HOF career. It is not worth it for this team.

Well none of us are podiatrists. Not all ankle sprains are the same. Sometimes it’s actually better to stay active while having a sprained ankle because you keep the rotation and heat going to that part of the body kinda similar to having a bad back

Would I personally play RJ right now? No I think the season is over it should be about giving other young players minutes and development plus I think Zion is coming here next summer

Rj is still young and his development is paramount to anyone's.
You think Zion is coming? Oh do explain how this happens? Trade? What would do you think a fair trade would be?

I also am starting to suspect the Knicks didn't force a Randle trade at the deadline with the thought they may make a run at Zion sometime next season. Zion does seem to want out of NY regardless, and if Randle regains some of his form - he could go in a package for Zion. NO may consider it because they have mostly 3 seasons of little play from Zion. We add a few picks and NO has to consider that we are taking a risk due to Zion's limited availability. They play the same position so if I can't see a Zion trade without Randle moving on. Here's my best guess at fair value for Zion

Randle, IQ, Mitch (resigned to trade) and 2 #1 picks for Zion, D.Graham, J.Hayes and a 2nd rounder