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BRIGGS wrote:I’d like to keep a coach for 4-5 years. We need some continuity. This year is a bust( most likely) and we can clearly see we missed a solid pg badly.

this should be the case if things are building in a decent direction (whatever that is defined as, dunno). they should not keep guys around just so they can say they havent fired someone recently. if they are doing a bad job and not meeting goals, you gotta change out those people. continuity for the sake of it -- what does that accomplish?

If the Raps don't fire the COY for Nurse I don't think they win a championship.

Back that truck up.

If they don't trade for Kawhi and he doesn't hit a miracle turn around deep 2 point shot at the buzzer against Philly they may not even make it past the second round.

Since Kawhi has left, Nurse has been worse than COY Casey year over year.

Rosters matter.

You might be mixing up the team has been worse vs Nurse has been worse. They went all in for that ring. Which means they would pay for it on the backend. It does not mean Nurse has been worse. Ask Rap fans if they would rather the COY or Nurse now. Don’t we have a former Knicks fan that converted into a Rapter fan who frequents this forum. Maybe he can answer which coach he would rather have.

Pretty sure Kawhi was key here, not the coach.

Never said Kawhi was not a key. You are severely underappreciating the value of good coaching. Kawhi takes care of the talent side of things. The coaching is there to put him in the right position to succeed and to make adjustment needed during a 7 game series. Thibs can't even make adjustments over a regular season. If Thibs was the coach of the raps it might have been a Randle turn around 3 situation. Then that miracle shot might never even have a chance of happening.

You might need to scan this thread on this exact topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/dblx96/question_if_we_have_dwayne_casey_instead_of_nick/

They have the same issue with Casey as we have with Thibs. They both have an inability to adjust.

Pretty sure I haven't made any comment on Nurse as a coach.

In the same vein, I am pretty sure you are underappreciating the value of having a superstar on the team.

YOU associated Nurse and the championship.

I think Kawhi was key.

Your Quote "Since Kawhi has left, Nurse has been worse than COY Casey year over year."

That sure seems like a comment on Nurse as a coach. Raptors fans disagree with that comment.

Also how could I be underestimating the value of a superstar when the very next sentence after what you bolded said "Kawhi takes care of the talent side of things. The coaching is there to put him in the right position to succeed and to make adjustment needed during a 7 game series. "

That pretty much gave a lot of credit to their superstar at the time and the coach for putting that superstar in the right situations to succeed. You know like not with the ball behind the 3pt line with your back to the basket.

So it just the coach making adjustments or is it also the roster talent? I think we can agree on both?

Why hasn't Pop made an adjustment in years? Or is it that the roster just sucks?

Last year Thibs made adjustments with RJ and Randle but not so much this year? Is he holding out on us?

Maybe your larger point is even if Raps had Casey WITH Kawhi it wouldn't have mattered?

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I notice I am no longer the only one who voted yes. I told you guys. This was easy to see coming. Once thibs became a negative to both the future and the present there is no reason to keep him. You have to give people hope for something. The developing of the youth or by winning games. He is too damn stubborn for his own good and it costs him his job everywhere he goes.

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How about a conversation - look, Tom, no one’s fault, but ESPN is giving us 1% of making the play offs. Let’s focus on the 99% and try to give our young guys some more time in games.

If he doesn’t start playing the younger players, then you fire him.

But, can I change my vote because I think the heat got turned up a notch for sure!

I'll still stick with the Alba post vote.

SergioNYK wrote:This is 2014 all over again. We went from a 54 win season in 2013 to a 37 win season in 2014. We fired Woody and hired Fisher, Hornecek, Fizdale and made things 100x worse. Woody shouldn't have been fired. After giving us our best season the last 20 years, he deserved at least a chance to redeem himself. Same with Thibs imo. We can't keep firing coaches every other year. We need some continuity. And it will reflect poorly on this franchise if we fired a HC after he won COTY the season before.

Get Thibs a PG and players who fit HIS system and style and he'll win. He's proven it.

During the Lakers game frank was miced up and he said something along the lines 'we know they are going to collapse the paint so look for the open shooter'. I been saying this from forever the weakside guy ALWAYS touches the paint when he can't help defend anyway because he is the WEAKSIDE guy. All this ever does is allow for an open corner 3 every time. Look the Giddy's highlights against us half his passes was to the weakside corner 3 because of this simple dumb part of Thibs defense. The starting lineup is the worst defending lineup in NBA histroy while we still had a winning record. He ignored it and is still using it to this very day. He does not adjust AT ALL. I also want to stop firing coaches but you can't settle on a bad fit because you are still doing yourself no favors. I could maybe stomach Thibs if he were playing our youth but he is not even doing that while we are one of the worst teams in the NBA. I am sorry but he has to go.

Took a pic from the Giddy highlight. Why is Kemba darn near under the basket? He is not even playing the cross court passing lane because he is far too deep. This has been us ALL year. It is why the worst shooting teams always shoot well vs us and why we always give up career highs. This is also not a Kemba issue. Every player who play on the weakside has done this all year.