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Quickley not in slump. He’s not very good
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losmeister
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2/14/2022  10:18 PM
Kemet wrote:2nd season combo-guard Quickley's performance are far from being the Knicks problem from winning!

The number one problem are Thibs don't have head-coach Woodson as an assistant, or D.Rose leadership.
The second problem is RJ Barrett averaging 35 min a games ....
RJ Barrett can't play the SG position, he's a terrible backcourt partner.
RJ Barrett can't play the SF position, his effort and slow movement at the 3 spot are the same as Knox.
RJ Barrett's not a complimentary player to any of his teammates on help offense/defense, he has been an individual ISO player having little to no chemistry with his teammates on the court.
For the last 3 seasons RJ Barrett has been averaging 11 min of playing time in the Knicks first quarter of the game.
What was the Problem with the Knicks starter 5 lineup last season? The Knicks has the same problem with the starter 5 lineup this season .. RJ Barrett's the PROBLEM, he's to young and raw to be in a NBA starter lineup !!!

interesting that someone else isnt slobbering his knob...

he's good at going to the rim... other than that? i cant think of anything.

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2/15/2022  8:47 AM
losmeister wrote:
Kemet wrote:2nd season combo-guard Quickley's performance are far from being the Knicks problem from winning!

The number one problem are Thibs don't have head-coach Woodson as an assistant, or D.Rose leadership.
The second problem is RJ Barrett averaging 35 min a games ....
RJ Barrett can't play the SG position, he's a terrible backcourt partner.
RJ Barrett can't play the SF position, his effort and slow movement at the 3 spot are the same as Knox.
RJ Barrett's not a complimentary player to any of his teammates on help offense/defense, he has been an individual ISO player having little to no chemistry with his teammates on the court.
For the last 3 seasons RJ Barrett has been averaging 11 min of playing time in the Knicks first quarter of the game.
What was the Problem with the Knicks starter 5 lineup last season? The Knicks has the same problem with the starter 5 lineup this season .. RJ Barrett's the PROBLEM, he's to young and raw to be in a NBA starter lineup !!!

interesting that someone else isnt slobbering his knob...

he's good at going to the rim... other than that? i cant think of anything.


He's become a decent, albeit streaky, three point shooter too. That said,he needs to find a way to finish better at the rim and up his free throw percentage if he's ever going to become a serious scorer in the league or even keep his starting nspot on the Canadian National Team.
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2/15/2022  8:50 AM
I honestly asked the question a while back ago. What is the difference between Quickly and Trier.
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2/15/2022  8:53 AM
Vmart wrote:I honestly asked the question a while back ago. What is the difference between Quickly and Trier.

Quickly at least attempts to make the right reads. Plus, his attitude is much better and his defensive awareness is better. But if Quick could go to the hole and finish like Trier we'd have starting two-guard for the next decade.

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2/15/2022  11:32 PM
Disagree. He’s playing out of position. He’s a 2 guard.
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2/15/2022  11:32 PM
Vmart wrote:I honestly asked the question a while back ago. What is the difference between Quickly and Trier.

Quickley is a way better defender

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2/16/2022  12:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2022  12:22 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
losmeister wrote:
Kemet wrote:2nd season combo-guard Quickley's performance are far from being the Knicks problem from winning!

The number one problem are Thibs don't have head-coach Woodson as an assistant, or D.Rose leadership.
The second problem is RJ Barrett averaging 35 min a games ....
RJ Barrett can't play the SG position, he's a terrible backcourt partner.
RJ Barrett can't play the SF position, his effort and slow movement at the 3 spot are the same as Knox.
RJ Barrett's not a complimentary player to any of his teammates on help offense/defense, he has been an individual ISO player having little to no chemistry with his teammates on the court.
For the last 3 seasons RJ Barrett has been averaging 11 min of playing time in the Knicks first quarter of the game.
What was the Problem with the Knicks starter 5 lineup last season? The Knicks has the same problem with the starter 5 lineup this season .. RJ Barrett's the PROBLEM, he's to young and raw to be in a NBA starter lineup !!!

interesting that someone else isnt slobbering his knob...

he's good at going to the rim... other than that? i cant think of anything.


He's become a decent, albeit streaky, three point shooter too. That said,he needs to find a way to finish better at the rim and up his free throw percentage if he's ever going to become a serious scorer in the league or even keep his starting nspot on the Canadian National Team.


Once D.Rose got injured coach Thibs decrease Quickley minutes to half, plus took rookie McBride out of the rotation like he did Kemba, and made us Knicks fans watch a Knicks team without a leader, without a PG, having no coach plays for ball movement on offense, which made the Knicks have a high ratio in turnovers, plus we haven't seen a coach defensive plan all season from the players. That's why the Knicks are 3-12 in their last 15 games.
It's obvious coach Thibs has been TANKING the Knicks season, and the Knicks FO traded for SF-Cam Reddish after the coach took Kemba out of the rotation, then took rookie McBride out of the rotation, but here's the biggie after D.Rose surgery the Dr. says D.Rose will be out for two months. And what does the Knicks FO (Leon/Perry) do? They make a trade for a SF Cam Reddish !!!
The Knicks TANKING is on !!!

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2/16/2022  2:10 AM
Philc1 wrote:Disagree. He’s playing out of position. He’s a 2 guard.

IQ is a combo guard. I can see traces of CJ McCollum or Joe Dumars in his game. The concept of not having a single designated ball-handler is a good one. It worked great for the Phil-led Bulls and Lakers championship teams, and applied somewhat to the LeBron teams, where he would share the ball handling duties with another guard. Makes the offense a lot less predictable. I like the concept of Randle, RJ and IQ sharing the ball-handling and the distribution duties. But it has not been working out for some reason, maybe people still need to learn and adjust.

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2/16/2022  6:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2022  6:11 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Disagree. He’s playing out of position. He’s a 2 guard.

IQ is a combo guard. I can see traces of CJ McCollum or Joe Dumars in his game. The concept of not having a single designated ball-handler is a good one. It worked great for the Phil-led Bulls and Lakers championship teams, and applied somewhat to the LeBron teams, where he would share the ball handling duties with another guard. Makes the offense a lot less predictable. I like the concept of Randle, RJ and IQ sharing the ball-handling and the distribution duties. But it has not been working out for some reason, maybe people still need to learn and adjust.

Combo guard = 2 guard who can once in a while dribble the ball upcourt


Thibs has been using him as a full time pg since November. Dumars was never a full time pg especially not when playing with Isiah


It hasn’t been working because RJ can only really dribble penetrate in half court going to his left slashing to the basket. IQ can’t dribble penetrate. His game is stopping and popping for a 3 or the running floater. Randle becomes a turnover machine once he starts thinking he’s a 25 year old Lebron

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2/17/2022  11:08 PM
Quickly is really a 2

But if he’s going to play 1 he has to be more of a shoot first 1. He’s most effective when he’s decisive. If he starts hitting shots and drawing attention he can then be more effective setting up his teammates. He’s not a ball hog but he needs to be decisive both. To better his effectiveness and his teammates.

It won’t happen but I’d like to see deuce start at pg. burks play pg w secon unit until rose returns. And get it back to a scoring guard

He and obi are way too tight. Whole team is too tight but those guys in particular are too afraid to make a mistake

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2/17/2022  11:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Quickley not in slump. He’s not very good

And he’s costing us close games. Shtty shtty performance again

Quickley is a good player and was an extreme value for his draft slot and what his rookie scale contract costs the team.

He's not perfect and he won't likely be an All Star but these are the kind of picks that help a team move forward with progress over the long term.

Monta Ellis was a former 2nd round pick. He was an extremely flawed player for the Warriors. Yes, he put up some volume counting stats, but he had clear issues if you wanted to chase a championship. That being said, useful guys are still valuable in that Ellis was used to trade for Bogut.

1) Is the player useful in a core rotation and can do things to help you win games across an entire season?

2) Does the player have some form of POSITIVE league wide trade value?

3) Is the player outperforming his actual contract given league wide market values?

For Quickley, the answer is "Yes" to all of them. I'm not going to punish him for struggling sometimes and I'm not going to punish him for not being Desmond Bane.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

And before some mother****er brings up Kevin Knox or Frank Ntilikina, this is an entirely different situation. The answer to those three questions was "No" for both of them.

I have a lot of love in my heart for you Briggs, but this is just reactionary.

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3/8/2022  11:23 AM
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smackeddog wrote:Well, we all witnessed him being very good last year and being very impactful this season, but I'm sure only this slump counts now because you don't like him, even though you didn't like him then loved him last year. Good luck on developing players if you're not prepared to see them struggle for stretches. But then again you don't believe in developing players, only what happened in the last game.

He’s costing us games. Nothing else to it

nothing else to it... I mean is he just hitting shots again? Is he getting better? Does anyone care?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/8/2022  2:07 PM
Briggs often freezes time and makes his indictments/proclamations of a player and the future.
Sometimes its all we got.
Not just him:
Fornier sucks and forever will.
Randle will never approach last season.
RJ is not great.
Free Obi and Deuce.

Well, RJ is turnng into quite the player. Still more to come at age 21.
Randle need not be last years randle to play to his contract. We did not scale his pay pegged to last year.
IQ is thinking less and passing more. When he feels it, he can shoot. He is adapting.
RJ is learning his growl.
Randle I hope can find his place and be at peace. he really has too many tools. He has to dial it back some.
Deuce is not Gleague Duece quite yet.

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3/8/2022  2:50 PM
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:I just found today, that we picked him over Desmond Bane

I knew about Obi over Haliburton.

Horrible draft.

Again..nobody holds the FO accountable. Just look at his shoot.. he has terrible mechanics. At this point it's too late to change that. What the heck are these peole looking at. Any high school coach could spot that.

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3/8/2022  9:16 PM
martin wrote:All those "Start IQ!" posts and threads were fun while they lasted

Looks like it’s back again. Start IQ over Burks. It’s a win win. Get to see his growth as a PG and I get to add him off the waiver wire. Fantasy wise he’s on a roll. Let him finish as the starter and deuce the backup.

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3/9/2022  7:47 AM
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3/9/2022  12:51 PM
I don't understand how IQ can suddenly be playing well again when BRIGGS assured us his batch of sub-standard play after a great rookie year wasn't a slump
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3/9/2022  1:38 PM
smackeddog wrote:I don't understand how IQ can suddenly be playing well again when BRIGGS assured us his batch of sub-standard play after a great rookie year wasn't a slump

Who cares about how IQ is playing when we can trade for Christian Woods and Malcolm Brogdon

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3/9/2022  2:53 PM
martin wrote:
great post... we know Thibs loves him because he works harder than anyone. This is the kind of improvement that shows up NEXT year. He looks more and more like a guy who just need minutes because he plays so hard on both ends he makes good things happen
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Quickley not in slump. He’s not very good

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