knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

Yeah...just follow the rumors. The Knicks and Bulls were rumored for Ball. Lavar even said he wanted Lonzo in NY. It wasn't the Knicks choice. Lonzo wanted Chicago. Also, while a nice player, he isn't the answer to our PG issues.

You got it twisted, The knicks were not that interested in BALL or Derozen, thats been clearly documented.

At the trade dead line with 30 mill in cap space, and another 30 in expiring contracts they offer the pelicans trash and some 2nd round picks. Some in the FO did not feel Ball was the answer same with founier over Derozen.

Those 2 saw the knicks were not really serious (almost as 3rd options) so they jump on the BULLs wagon

No, there are plenty of threads here created that around rumors for both. Why trade for Ball if you know there's a good chance he's heading to the Bulls. The question around DeRozan centered around fit and the fact that it was known league wide that he wanted the Lakers.

djsunyc wrote:i mean knicks management is forever in shambles but...the biggest issue is that there is no leader or culture changer.

you all didn't want lowry or van vleet at their price point but those guys are leaders and culture setters. champions and lead guards for winning teams.

you talk derozan and ball - these guys aren't culture setters either - derozan is great but he's a scorer that doesn't necessarily lift the entire team (it was lowry all those years in toronto) and ball is a beta.

now youre all in on brunson. maybe he can be that guy b/c usually it's the pg that makes the biggest impact but he's a poor man's van vleet *at best*...so buyer beware there too. but that's a better target than whatever you all did this past summer.

I'd say the FO is as stable as it's been for a while. This is year two. I didn't want Fred at his price point, the FO did. Fred mad it known he wasn't really interested in leaving Toronto.

gradyandrew wrote:

Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

This is 100% false. Neither player signed for anything near his max and the Knicks had the most cap space available. The Knicks spent their money on Noel, Burks, Walker, Fournier, and Rose. Those players make 56 million vs DeRozan and Ball making 44. End of story.

You wanna know what else is true? Knicks spent middling money on Noel, Burks, Rose and brought back those warriors that were HUGE parts of overachieving and giving us a ton the year prior.

Say what you will about hindsight and signing the likes of DeRozan but you are arguing for dumping the very guys who were part of regular season success for the Knicks and you would have turned your back on them for a 31 year old playoff failure of a player, worse than what Randle put up last year.

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

This is 100% false. Neither player signed for anything near his max and the Knicks had the most cap space available. The Knicks spent their money on Noel, Burks, Walker, Fournier, and Rose. Those players make 56 million vs DeRozan and Ball making 44. End of story.

You wanna know what else is true? Knicks spent middling money on Noel, Burks, Rose and brought back those warriors that were HUGE parts of overachieving and giving us a ton the year prior.

Say what you will about hindsight and signing the likes of DeRozan but you are arguing for dumping the very guys who were part of regular season success for the Knicks and you would have turned your back on them for a 31 year old playoff failure of a player, worse than what Randle put up last year.

I wasn't upset about Derozan but I wanted Lonzo bad. I thought we should of traded for his bird rights

What are you giving up for his Bird Rights that Pelicans go for it?

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

This is 100% false. Neither player signed for anything near his max and the Knicks had the most cap space available. The Knicks spent their money on Noel, Burks, Walker, Fournier, and Rose.Those players make 56 million vs DeRozan and Ball making 44. End of story.

You wanna know what else is true? Knicks spent middling money on Noel, Burks, Rose and brought back those warriors that were HUGE parts of overachieving and giving us a ton the year prior.

Say what you will about hindsight and signing the likes of DeRozan but you are arguing for dumping the very guys who were part of regular season success for the Knicks and you would have turned your back on them for a 31 year old playoff failure of a player, worse than what Randle put up last year.

Save it for St. Crispin's Day. The Knicks spent DeRozan equivalent salaries on Kemba and Fournier who were not "HUGE parts of overacheiving" last year. I'm not sure if saying it was an either/ or choice between DeRozan and our vets is faulty memory or just wishful thinking but we had the cap room outright to sign DeRozan and 3 of 4 vets..