martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Don't know why some of you hate to face reality about the situation..thats a direct shot at Leon and Perry.

Stop adding to an already log jam at certain positions unless you have a counter plan

You are literally looking at this through the view of a Tick Tack Toe game where one player just made 2 in a row and then the world stops and you can't figure out that the opposing player will just make the common sense next move.

I post Thibs comments and you act as if it came from me..

Hater

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Don't know why some of you hate to face reality about the situation..thats a direct shot at Leon and Perry.

Stop adding to an already log jam at certain positions unless you have a counter plan

You are literally looking at this through the view of a Tick Tack Toe game where one player just made 2 in a row and then the world stops and you can't figure out that the opposing player will just make the common sense next move.

I post Thibs comments and you act as if it came from me..

Hater

This is the part I am commenting on: "thats a direct shot at Leon and Perry"

Thibs is just stating the obvious. The other obvious to the rest of the world is that Leon and Perry will make another move. You can't seem to wrap you head around it and think it's Thibs making a statement on the FO and a direct shot.

It's not. This is not middle school cafeteria gossip time

Chandler wrote:
first all of this sounds like Berman rumors -- unsubstantiated, or based on a conversation with someone else purely conjecturing. I can't imagine in a 1,000,000 years Thibs telling anyone other than his absolutely most trusted sources he didn't want Cam -- assuming that was true. it's not the way he rolls

second i suspect we had insider info from RJ knowing what's ailing Cam and what Cam is and isn't capable of, and third, one can at least hope this is an added weight on the scale to persuade Zion towards NYC at some point in the future (if everything else breaks right)

third of all, the pick that we traded was heavily protected to 19. Charlotte is currently at 16 or something, who knows when it would convey. The real problem with that pick was allowing all that protection in the first place. Protection:

• 2022- 1-18
• 2023- 1-16
• 2024- 1-14
• 2025- 1-14
• Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed

fourth of all, can we chill the F out and see how this unfurls?

fifth of all, did this all not fit under the other thread you created a just a few days ago on exactly the same topic?: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=64671

Panos wrote:
third of all, the pick that we traded was heavily protected to 19. Charlotte is currently at 16 or something, who knows when it would convey. The real problem with that pick was allowing all that protection in the first place. Protection:

• 2022- 1-18
• 2023- 1-16
• 2024- 1-14
• 2025- 1-14
• Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed

So for all we know, it could be 2 second rounders in 2026.

fourth of all, can we chill the F out and see how this unfurls?

I have read a completely different take on the protections.
It was a way to screw over charlotte as it locks their ability to trade their picks as they are unable to make any trades for their 1st picks until 2027 at the earliest.
This means next offeason the best Charlotte can offer any team in a deal if a 1st rounder is required is a 2027 pick (5 years in the future) as the full length of this Knicks deal must be respected +1 year in between due to 1st rounder trade rules.

This deal was 2/3 about value of the pick and 1/3 handcuffing the Charlotte hornets organization and a potential competitor in future superstar trades for the next 3-4 years...

Much more a chess move than what has been described in this thread.

martin wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:

Panos wrote:
third of all, the pick that we traded was heavily protected to 19. Charlotte is currently at 16 or something, who knows when it would convey. The real problem with that pick was allowing all that protection in the first place. Protection:

• 2022- 1-18
• 2023- 1-16
• 2024- 1-14
• 2025- 1-14
• Will turn into 2 future 2's if not conveyed

So for all we know, it could be 2 second rounders in 2026.

fourth of all, can we chill the F out and see how this unfurls?

I have read a completely different take on the protections.
It was a way to screw over charlotte as it locks their ability to trade their picks as they are unable to make any trades for their 1st picks until 2027 at the earliest.
This means next offeason the best Charlotte can offer any team in a deal if a 1st rounder is required is a 2027 pick (5 years in the future) as the full length of this Knicks deal must be respected +1 year in between due to 1st rounder trade rules.

This deal was 2/3 about value of the pick and 1/3 handcuffing the Charlotte hornets organization and a potential competitor in future superstar trades for the next 3-4 years...

Much more a chess move than what has been described in this thread.

That was the effect of the trade but probably not the strategy behind it.

Lottery protecting your own pick is also a good idea.