BigDaddyG wrote:I wouldn't say anyone on the roster is untouchable, just that RJ is the toughest player to attach a value to. But we can all agree that RJ is balling in the second half of the season.

I doubt we could get equal value for guys like Mitch and IQ. We didn’t get equal value with Porzingis but that was a unique situation — he was a pain in the @ss diva who wanted to leave and his body had already started to give out plus Phil didn’t get to trade him for Jaylon Brown a couple years earlier

I’m concerned that the FO is too hyper focused now on getting rid of Randle’s contract that they will do something stupid like include Mitch or IQ to try to sweeten the pot in order to dump his contract

martin wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:An IQ/Burks & 2nd for Brunson / Klieber makes some sense for Dallas.

IQ/Burks/Luka Samanic & Dallas 2023 pick for Bruson/Klieber/Theo Pinson

why do that at this point? brunson will likely play like a$s once he gets here. klieber - where will he play? ahead of obi? theo is a bench warmer, period.

so we are giving up a 1st, plus IQ, plus Burks for Brunson? Pass

You mean like Rose did last year?

You can't just declare a player will be bad

I think Brunson can be a legit starter. IQ and the pick that won't hit for another year and a half and most likely won't be a top 20 pick won't do much for the Knicks AT ALL

I’d have to think brunson would make those around him better. Even Evan.
Yes, the 2023 for dallas because they can’t afford Finny Smith and Brunson and when Cap walks out its don’t come back. They have to deal one.
I’d say mitch goes there but the could lose him unless they do him for 12.5 for a one year, one opt out and take care of him later. Not for me to say.
That pick back gives the the ability to trade and get better. The window for Luka matters.
They gave Timmy a 75mil deal. Starts at 19mil then declines over 4 years. Makes EF’s deal look pretty good.
Dallas likely wont do a Brunson deal this week if they trying to make waves this season. I pay up for him. Burk, IQ and the Pick and we take back something. I give Brunson 72mil over 4 years. Thats good scratch. He is good, but long term he goes back to the bench if we can break the curse of Charlie Ward.

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:An IQ/Burks & 2nd for Brunson / Klieber makes some sense for Dallas.

IQ/Burks/Luka Samanic & Dallas 2023 pick for Bruson/Klieber/Theo Pinson

why do that at this point? brunson will likely play like a$s once he gets here. klieber - where will he play? ahead of obi? theo is a bench warmer, period.

so we are giving up a 1st, plus IQ, plus Burks for Brunson? Pass

You mean like Rose did last year?

You can't just declare a player will be bad

I think Brunson can be a legit starter. IQ and the pick that won't hit for another year and a half and most likely won't be a top 20 pick won't do much for the Knicks AT ALL

I’d have to think brunson would make those around him better. Even Evan.
Yes, the 2023 for dallas because they can’t afford Finny Smith and Brunson and when Cap walks out its don’t come back. They have to deal one.
I’d say mitch goes there but the could lose him unless they do him for 12.5 for a one year, one opt out and take care of him later. Not for me to say.
That pick back gives the the ability to trade and get better. The window for Luka matters.
They gave Timmy a 75mil deal. Starts at 19mil then declines over 4 years. Makes EF’s deal look pretty good.
Dallas likely wont do a Brunson deal this week if they trying to make waves this season. I pay up for him. Burk, IQ and the Pick and we take back something. I give Brunson 72mil over 4 years. Thats good scratch. He is good, but long term he goes back to the bench if we can break the curse of Charlie Ward.

That is way to much for Brunson in both a lost season, and in a S&T. Way to much…

I would actually like to see IQ with the starters before they paid anything near that price.

IQ can barely play backup PG against other backups, what do we think he is going to do against starters who will game plan for him?

We don't NEED to see him start, we already know he is not even READY to start or even dominate the backups. He is still treading water as a backup.

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:An IQ/Burks & 2nd for Brunson / Klieber makes some sense for Dallas.

IQ/Burks/Luka Samanic & Dallas 2023 pick for Bruson/Klieber/Theo Pinson

why do that at this point? brunson will likely play like a$s once he gets here. klieber - where will he play? ahead of obi? theo is a bench warmer, period.

so we are giving up a 1st, plus IQ, plus Burks for Brunson? Pass

You mean like Rose did last year?

You can't just declare a player will be bad

I think Brunson can be a legit starter. IQ and the pick that won't hit for another year and a half and most likely won't be a top 20 pick won't do much for the Knicks AT ALL

I’d have to think brunson would make those around him better. Even Evan.
Yes, the 2023 for dallas because they can’t afford Finny Smith and Brunson and when Cap walks out its don’t come back. They have to deal one.
I’d say mitch goes there but the could lose him unless they do him for 12.5 for a one year, one opt out and take care of him later. Not for me to say.
That pick back gives the the ability to trade and get better. The window for Luka matters.
They gave Timmy a 75mil deal. Starts at 19mil then declines over 4 years. Makes EF’s deal look pretty good.
Dallas likely wont do a Brunson deal this week if they trying to make waves this season. I pay up for him. Burk, IQ and the Pick and we take back something. I give Brunson 72mil over 4 years. Thats good scratch. He is good, but long term he goes back to the bench if we can break the curse of Charlie Ward.

That is way to much for Brunson in both a lost season, and in a S&T. Way to much…

I would actually like to see IQ with the starters before they paid anything near that price.

IQ can barely play backup PG against other backups, what do we think he is going to do against starters who will game plan for him?

We don't NEED to see him start, we already know he is not even READY to start or even dominate the backups. He is still treading water as a backup.

I actually disagree, when Kemba is the current starter it doesn’t hurt to see if IQ can do it and improve with sustained minutes and better talent around him. Usually when he is asked to come in he is being tasked to not just be the best perimeter threat but primary or secondary distributor. Which leads to teams doing more game planning for him. I would like to see him get more options to work off ball as the 3rd/4th option besides Randle, RJ, and Fournier.

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/01/24/ny-knicks-immanuel-quickley-bigger-role/

He’s a second year guard who they’ve asked to change his game so he could be a better PG. He’s still learning the role, plus he isn’t playing alongside Rose which allowed him to operate as a second or third option behind both Rose & Burks. I don’t think the experiment with him at PG should be filed as a failure but as ongoing.

knicks1248 wrote:

wargames wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:An IQ/Burks & 2nd for Brunson / Klieber makes some sense for Dallas.

IQ/Burks/Luka Samanic & Dallas 2023 pick for Bruson/Klieber/Theo Pinson

why do that at this point? brunson will likely play like a$s once he gets here. klieber - where will he play? ahead of obi? theo is a bench warmer, period.

so we are giving up a 1st, plus IQ, plus Burks for Brunson? Pass

You mean like Rose did last year?

You can't just declare a player will be bad

I think Brunson can be a legit starter. IQ and the pick that won't hit for another year and a half and most likely won't be a top 20 pick won't do much for the Knicks AT ALL

I’d have to think brunson would make those around him better. Even Evan.
Yes, the 2023 for dallas because they can’t afford Finny Smith and Brunson and when Cap walks out its don’t come back. They have to deal one.
I’d say mitch goes there but the could lose him unless they do him for 12.5 for a one year, one opt out and take care of him later. Not for me to say.
That pick back gives the the ability to trade and get better. The window for Luka matters.
They gave Timmy a 75mil deal. Starts at 19mil then declines over 4 years. Makes EF’s deal look pretty good.
Dallas likely wont do a Brunson deal this week if they trying to make waves this season. I pay up for him. Burk, IQ and the Pick and we take back something. I give Brunson 72mil over 4 years. Thats good scratch. He is good, but long term he goes back to the bench if we can break the curse of Charlie Ward.

That is way to much for Brunson in both a lost season, and in a S&T. Way to much…

I would actually like to see IQ with the starters before they paid anything near that price.

IQ can barely play backup PG against other backups, what do we think he is going to do against starters who will game plan for him?

We don't NEED to see him start, we already know he is not even READY to start or even dominate the backups. He is still treading water as a backup.

I actually disagree, when Kemba is the current starter it doesn’t hurt to see if IQ can do it and improve with sustained minutes and better talent around him. Usually when he is asked to come in he is being tasked to not just be the best perimeter threat but primary or secondary distributor. Which leads to teams doing more game planning for him. I would like to see him get more options to work off ball as the 3rd/4th option besides Randle, RJ, and Fournier.

https://dailyknicks.com/2022/01/24/ny-knicks-immanuel-quickley-bigger-role/

He’s a second year guard who they’ve asked to change his game so he could be a better PG. He’s still learning the role, plus he isn’t playing alongside Rose which allowed him to operate as a second or third option behind both Rose & Burks. I don’t think the experiment with him at PG should be filed as a failure but as ongoing.

We have to stop thinking that every player 6 4" and under can be converted to a pg over time.

I think IQ needs to focus on his shot selection and finishing around the rim

My Nephew and My GF son both played with IQ in high school, and from my understanding he was never a pg.

just think about of him as more CJ McCollum.

You might be correct here. Its possible our team culture likes our SG on the bigger size. No doubt we have yet to find our PG of the future and we are exposed kicking the can down the road with Drose and the failed experiment that is Kemba.
IQ is going thru a bad stretch. That tends to paint his career path as most of us have short attention spans. I have no doubt your family saw what they did but its been written he was a PG in HS but really he was likely the best player on his team and was primary ball handler. He is long and crafty and gains space by changing speeds.
From what I have seen IQ and his statement that Lou Williams is his idol paints himself as a off the bench microwave. I'd have to think playmaking can only help his career. Waiting on him to become a good PG and starting him as an experiment is not something we do for better or worse.
Facts are what ever moves we made did not work great this year thus far. We'll see by thursday if any opportunities arise that can help us this year.

Caseloads wrote:

franco12 wrote:depends on what we are trying to build. If we want a contending roster - something that can advance in the play offs- I wonder if we should process this and blow the whole thing up.

But if we're just trying to be the best we can be in the short term, I think Mitch, RJ, IQ, Grimes should be untouchable unless you are getting something really significant back.

could fox be significant? haliburton is outplaying fox, so not sure that makes sense. sexton could make sense - for kemba plus a 1st and second round pick... works in ESPN trade machine. I would give up IQ for sexton, but not sure how to get the math to work there. sexton could be better than fox, and likely cheaper. only thing is sexton is kyrie-lite in many ways

Fox and Haliburton are two totally different type of guards and probably should be paired together long-term. Sexton just screams headcase/me first type of PG - and that was before the injuries. We need a selfless PG ideally, but since CP3 is not available, Rubio is nearing retirement - we have to choose from what's available. But Sexton is not a selfless PG in any way.