TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Have been preaching that we need to be patient with analyzing our current roster. Mainly because anytime you have new players on a team it takes time for each player to understand and find their proper roles. Many that have played understand the importance of understanding one's specific role and how it translates to winning.

Belief this is the main reason for our struggles this year. Randle was coming off last year's great year and may have forgotten his role. Being aggressive, going to what is working, getting other guys going, and most importantly playing within a team concept. The success/contract may have gotten into his head and reverted him back to when Fiz wanted him to be a do it all Point Forward. He needs to understand that, as the leader, he needs to not only score but get others playing well. As well as lead by example with effort and demeanor on both sides of the floor. ....

Blaming roles?

Something I said in the offseason is that the Knicks still had Randle's option year and should use it to evaluate him further. Also that doing so would mean if they had to sign and trade him, they could do it with his then Full Bird Rights. I also said on Randle's end, if he can, just take the money and run. Which he did. And he's lucky he did because I don't see him getting that contract otherwise after based on his play so far this year.

If you play hard and play the right way and things don't work out for you, then that happens in sports.

But you don't play hard and you don't play the right way, the only answer is that you are an *******.

Don't understand the excuse making here. Randle, this season, has played like a complete and total *******. I'm not talking about counting stats and numbers production, I'm talking about basic fundamental expectations of being an actual professional.

When you play like an *******, it means you treat all the fans, the reasons you have that fame and money and celebrity status in the first place, like toilet paper. You smear them with your ****.

Whether you end up playing well or playing badly, you need to play hard. There are no excuses for not playing hard. If you want to make excuse for Randle, go ahead, go get smeared all over with ****. Some people actually get off on that kind of kink.

Respect the game
Respect your team
Respect your teammates
Respect your fans
Respect your obligations

Randle has done exactly none of that this season.

There's a lot I don't like about Charles Oakley. But let's get real here. If Oakley was on this team right now and he saw Randle doing his loafing around ****, Oak would grab Randle by the throat in the locker room and then beat him down. Which is what Randle needs right now. He doesn't need more coddling. He needs, like most spoiled brats, a straight up beating.

I love this team too much to accept Randle acting like a bitch.

I love my fellow Knicks fans too much to allow Randle to try to get them to join him in acting like bitches.

When you play like an ******* you drop 30 and get 15 rebounds? Are you waking up in 2011 in the middle of a Melo hate PTSD episode? The man gets paid to professionally put the ****ing ball in the round hole and grab loose balls and hassle people who are wearing the other uniform trying to do the same thing. Sounds like he's playing the perfect ******* professional to me. But then, what the hell do I know, i'm just a fan apparently responsible for his fame and 100 million dollar contract.

Triple, come back. Post something about Randle being that really hot fresh lithe sophomore cheerleader you nailed at your Junior prom who ended up looking like a three dollar (prices have all gone up) ho hanging outside the local bodega by the next year.

Kemba was supposed to fill the role of senior PG. He sucks.

EV was supposed to be Reggie Bullock on steroids from the outside with much worse defense. Slightly sucky but on track on both counts.

RJ is not supposed to be playing the injured role for this long. That sucks.

Mitch is better and is not playing the injured role. Doesn't suck, except when he can't keep the Andre Drummonds of the world from getting 40 rebounds and starts actually missing dunks.

IQ is fulfilling the sophomore slump role who's apparently gone from logo to bust in one season. And that's apparently both Thibs and EV's fault.

What about Obi's role? The Orange traffic cone ski rack role that everyone loves because he's not ******* Randle?

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Have been preaching that we need to be patient with analyzing our current roster. Mainly because anytime you have new players on a team it takes time for each player to understand and find their proper roles. Many that have played understand the importance of understanding one's specific role and how it translates to winning.

Belief this is the main reason for our struggles this year. Randle was coming off last year's great year and may have forgotten his role. Being aggressive, going to what is working, getting other guys going, and most importantly playing within a team concept. The success/contract may have gotten into his head and reverted him back to when Fiz wanted him to be a do it all Point Forward. He needs to understand that, as the leader, he needs to not only score but get others playing well. As well as lead by example with effort and demeanor on both sides of the floor. ....

Blaming roles?

Something I said in the offseason is that the Knicks still had Randle's option year and should use it to evaluate him further. Also that doing so would mean if they had to sign and trade him, they could do it with his then Full Bird Rights. I also said on Randle's end, if he can, just take the money and run. Which he did. And he's lucky he did because I don't see him getting that contract otherwise after based on his play so far this year.

If you play hard and play the right way and things don't work out for you, then that happens in sports.

But you don't play hard and you don't play the right way, the only answer is that you are an *******.

Don't understand the excuse making here. Randle, this season, has played like a complete and total *******. I'm not talking about counting stats and numbers production, I'm talking about basic fundamental expectations of being an actual professional.

When you play like an *******, it means you treat all the fans, the reasons you have that fame and money and celebrity status in the first place, like toilet paper. You smear them with your ****.

Whether you end up playing well or playing badly, you need to play hard. There are no excuses for not playing hard. If you want to make excuse for Randle, go ahead, go get smeared all over with ****. Some people actually get off on that kind of kink.

Respect the game
Respect your team
Respect your teammates
Respect your fans
Respect your obligations

Randle has done exactly none of that this season.

There's a lot I don't like about Charles Oakley. But let's get real here. If Oakley was on this team right now and he saw Randle doing his loafing around ****, Oak would grab Randle by the throat in the locker room and then beat him down. Which is what Randle needs right now. He doesn't need more coddling. He needs, like most spoiled brats, a straight up beating.

I love this team too much to accept Randle acting like a bitch.

I love my fellow Knicks fans too much to allow Randle to try to get them to join him in acting like bitches.

Watup TiTi.

A couple of things. One, grown men that underestimate other grown men and start grabbing throats end up getting knocked out.
Oakley was better than that. Two, bitches are not guys lacking in effort at a professional sports. They are the ones flexing on the interweb,

In terms of Randle and his play. Do agree that his attitude and effort have been terrible lately. But are you saying that my entire post in which I criticized his play this year was avoiding any shortcomings? But I do agree with you. Anyone that is not putting forth 100% effort has no place on any team. But who here has claimed they are okay with that? Have said many times on this and other threads how his play of late has hurt the team and is something that has made me rethink him being part of a long term solution. But lets pretend the biggest talk in the summer was about his terrible attitude, lack of effort, long list of issues with team mates/coaches and lack of effort level shown throughout his career. Give you credit if you were posting those as your biggest concerns.

My main point, which you missed and as players that have played at a high level will agree with, was that Randle was once again playing outside his role. Second, that there is time needed for a starting line up, who have two new starters(3 if you count MR injury), to find their proper roles. Third, and the biggest thing you seem to miss, that we have no one at the PG role. Which I feel is the most important role on a unit. Not to mention how the lack of PG has forced other key players to play unfamiliar roles.

In terms of your claim that you were pushing for Randle to be further evaluated. That's fine. May have been a good idea. But your rant sounds more like a disgruntled teenager than a high level evaluator. Meaning, what kind of experienced evaluator ignores that a team is missing its most important role. One which can greatly affect EVERT players level of play? So, IMHO, the smart evaluators at the Knicks FO will wait until we have a legitimate PG before they throw out a rant about grabbing Randle's or anyone else's throat.

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote: Anyone that is not putting forth 100% effort has no place on any team. But who here has claimed they are okay with that? Have said many times on this and other threads how his play of late has hurt the team and is something that has made me rethink him being part of a long term solution. But lets pretend the biggest talk in the summer was about his terrible attitude, lack of effort, long list of issues with team mates/coaches and lack of effort level shown throughout his career. Give you credit if you were posting those as your biggest concerns.

My main point, which you missed and as players that have played at a high level will agree with, was that Randle was once again playing outside his role. Second, that there is time needed for a starting line up, who have two new starters(3 if you count MR injury), to find their proper roles. Third, and the biggest thing you seem to miss, that we have no one at the PG role. Which I feel is the most important role on a unit. Not to mention how the lack of PG has forced other key players to play unfamiliar roles.

In terms of your claim that you were pushing for Randle to be further evaluated. That's fine. May have been a good idea. But your rant sounds more like a disgruntled teenager than a high level evaluator. Meaning, what kind of experienced evaluator ignores that a team is missing its most important role. One which can greatly affect EVERT players level of play? So, IMHO, the smart evaluators at the Knicks FO will wait until we have a legitimate PG before they throw out a rant about grabbing Randle's or anyone else's throat.

HofstraBBall - "Anyone that is not putting forth 100% effort has no place on any team."

Then

HofstraBBall ( Proceeds to make excuses and rationalize why someone expected to be the undisputed leader of the Knicks on the court this season is NOT putting forth 100 percent effort and should still have a place on this team)

Hey TiTi. Sorry that I missed your response. I was busy watching film. But now that the Superbowl is over, I can respond. . Does anyone believe that?

As for pigeonholing types of effort.... If you had played any sports, you would know that there is a difference between lapse in defensive effort and a player that shows a consistent lack of overall effort. Despite Randle's poor play in several games, he is not the latter. Nor has he had that type of reputation at any point in his career. Furthermore, I do not think the Knicks would have extended him if that was the case. And of course you would have definitely posted that as your main concern this summer. Maybe it's a new problem that started this year? If so, I am surprised your buddy Brock did not trade him at the deadline? After all, like we said, a guy that consistently shows a lack of effort does not belong on any team. Effort on both sides regardless of the previous play is a trait great players all have. Something Randle needs to improve on. But you turning that into anything else is just your usual BS. Randle's style of play may not be what is needed to win a chip. But only guys like you claim to know that for sure. Most,including Rose, Brock and anyone with experience in a NBA FO knows that there are several variables still missing in order to come to that conclusion. We both know that you are just another armchair fan that thinks they know something about running an NBA team.

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:
As for pigeonholing types of effort.... If you had played any sports, you would know that there is a difference between lapse in defensive effort and a player that shows a consistent lack of overall effort. Despite Randle's poor play in several games, he is not the latter. Nor has he had that type of reputation at any point in his career. Furthermore, I do not think the Knicks would have extended him if that was the case. And of course you would have definitely posted that as your main concern this summer. Maybe it's a new problem that started this year? If so, I am surprised your buddy Brock did not trade him at the deadline? After all, like we said, a guy that consistently shows a lack of effort does not belong on any team. Effort on both sides regardless of the previous play is a trait great players all have. Something Randle needs to improve on. But you turning that into anything else is just your usual BS. Randle's style of play may not be what is needed to win a chip. But only guys like you claim to know that for sure. Most,including Rose, Brock and anyone with experience in a NBA FO knows that there are several variables still missing in order to come to that conclusion. We both know that you are just another armchair fan that thinks they know something about running an NBA team.

You continue to makes excuses.

That nearly 3 million a year could cost the Knicks the chance to sign up the next Lu Dort. Or the next Alex Caruso or any number of options that running a cleaner cap sheet would provide.

TiTi. The problem with you has always been that you take the average emotional fans point of view. Your only goal is to prove that one of your knee jerk retrospective posts had some validity. Ie. "this guy sucks today, let's get rid of him", "we should have picked everyone I wanted in retrospect " and "let's draft soccer players". Do you need affirmation on a Fan Forum? Your "typical knee jerk fan" positions does not take into account how professional FO's have to look at things in order to properly evaluate players. But let's pretend that a professional FO is going to get rid of a guy they just made a big commitment to months earlier. That would be some simplistic fan ****. Which I think is what we are talking about unless, as mentioned, you are just here to receive affirmation?

Btw, You go on to preach about moves like Caruso("we should have signed everyone I wanted"), great, yeah good glue guy. I am on record for wanting him here as well. But who gives a ****? We did not get him. We do not know if the Knicks ever talked to his reps. Did he want to come here? Were the Knicks committed to other players prior? This is real FO stuff. Not guys on fan forums claiming the "Knicks should have listened to them 10 years ago" just because they pretend to be professional evaluators despite having minimal experience running fantasy football leagues and starting three page threads on Fan forum's.

HofstraBBall wrote:The problem with you has always been that you take the average emotional fans point of view. Your only goal is to prove that one of your knee jerk retrospective posts had some validity. Ie. "this guy sucks today, let's get rid of him", "we should have picked everyone I wanted in retrospect " and "let's draft soccer players". Do you need affirmation on a Fan Forum? Your "typical knee jerk fan" positions does not take into account how professional FO's have to look at things in order to properly evaluate players. But let's pretend that a professional FO is going to get rid of a guy they just made a big commitment to months earlier. That would be some simplistic fan ****. Which I think is what we are talking about unless, as mentioned, you are just here to receive affirmation?

Btw, You go on to preach about moves like Caruso("we should have signed everyone I wanted"), great, yeah good glue guy. I am on record for wanting him here as well. But who gives a ****? We did not get him. We do not know if the Knicks ever talked to his reps. Did he want to come here? Were the Knicks committed to other players prior? This is real FO stuff. Not guys on fan forums claiming the "Knicks should have listened to them 10 years ago" just because they pretend to be professional evaluators despite having minimal experience running fantasy football leagues and starting three page threads on Fan forum's.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10025986-knicks-rumors-julius-randles-trade-value-plummeting-according-to-nba-execs

The New York Knicks aren't in an advantageous position if they want to deal Julius Randle ahead of Thursday's NBA trade deadline.

The New York Post's Marc Berman spoke to an NBA scout who said Randle has "a low trade value."

"He hasn’t come across as a good teammate," the scout said. "He has played selfish....."

An NBA general manager concurred, telling Berman, "Not now," when asked about whether the 2020-21 All-Star represents good value.

Randle averaged 24.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 6.0 assists per game last season. He also shot 41.1 percent from three-point range despite attempting a career-high 389 threes—231 was his previous high.

The 6'8" forward parlayed that production into a four-year, $117.1 million extension that kicks in next season.

At the time, it seemed like a reasonable deal for both parties. Randle got a level of long-term security, while the Knicks didn't have to pay a full max salary for his services.

Instead, Randle's performance in 2021-22 mirrors that of his team in that he's not reaching the heights he did one year ago. He's putting up 18.5 points, 9.9 boards and 5.1 assists per game, and New York is on pace to miss the play-in tournament.

Some of the things contributing to the shifting perception of him aren't reflected in the box score, either.

He apologized in January after making a thumbs down gesture toward fans inside Madison Square Garden in a comeback victory over the Boston Celtics.

That did little to quell the level of ill will building toward Randle. A few weeks later, he received loud boos after turning the ball over in a matchup with the New Orleans Pelicans.

Most recently, Randle did what every disgruntled star does in the era of social media: He unfollowed his own teams accounts.

ESPN's Brian Windhorst (via RealGM) reported the Knicks have expressed interest in Sacramento Kings star De'Aaron Fox and posited Randle would be included in any deal. That might be a lateral move for both teams.

******

When you make the excuses that you do for Randle, you take the simple and try to make it vastly complicated to justify a player refusing to do even the bare minimum required of his job for this team.

If your shot is not falling, you need to do something else to help the team win games. Play tough defense all the time no matter what. That's something you can control when your shot is not falling. Hustle. Make the play that gets you the highest percentage TEAM shot on the floor, even if it's not your INDIVIDUAL shot. Set hard picks. Fight through screens. Move off the ball relentlessly with purpose ( Randle never does this. Literally never) Encourage your teammates. Set the right example with your body language and demeanor on the court.

It's not just that Randle does bone headed selfish things. It's that he keeps doing them even after it's proven they don't work to help this team win basketball games.

What the hell are you even talking about? The entire league knew that the Knicks were putting Julius Randle up for trade this deadline. So yes, this front office was more than prepared to get rid of a guy they just made a big financial commitment to just months earlier.

HofstraBBall wrote: After all, as much as he would never admit it, that is all he is. No matter how much research he does on the web. Additionally, If having one of your proverbial turds stick to the wall is a criteria for expertise, everyone here would be an expert. Briggs would be in the HOF. No offense Briggs. ..... has always been that he constantly boasts professional experience (something real athletes do not need to do), yet he ignores any real life variables that exist for athlete's. Narratives such as "you must give it 110 at all times%" and "If I was making that kind of money I would bust my ass for 48 minutes" are great but they are mostly chants that ignore variables such as minutes played that exist in real life. .....also claims professional front office credentials but puts out knee jerk arm chair rants that show no understanding of proper even headed evaluation. Which is what I am saying should be and is taking place at the FO level.

As for your points. Agree. If you look at our latest meltdowns, the good news is we played great for the first 2.5 quarters. Unfortunately, we also know the bad news. For me, it is all about pace. When the Knicks play at a high pace, they play well. When they slow the pace to iso ball sets, they play badly. As mentioned above, your point about minutes played is a valid one. Thibs has had a history of playing guys at a high click. Perhaps this should be looked at. It may lead to a possible reason for late game collapses. It is also another variable that should be taken into account before someone claims a player lacks effort. I am by no means saying Randle does not need to continue to improve. He makes a lot of mistakes and lets his offensive struggles affect him on the defensive side. Something many players struggle with. ..... makes it out to be that Randle consistently shows no effort and has had a history of that. A narrative pushed to only bolster his case that Randle was not worth an extension. Like I said, fans just try to prove that their past takes have some validity. TT is just a typical fan.

This is Randle's 8th season.

503 games played total. 423 total starts. 15,635 total minutes played in the NBA.

What is more likely? That Randle is more of the player he has always shown. ( Selfish, Me First/Me Always, low efficiency, Low BBIQ decision making, etc, etc that both the Lakers and Pelicans just let walk than to keep dealing with his bull****) Or the guy who had a career year in 2020-21 in an empty gym during a worldwide pandemic?

If you are being paid 30 million a year, the expectation is you have to act like a leader on and off the court. Jeff Van Gundy is right. No one stuck a gun to Randle's head to sign with the Knicks and no one stuck a gun to his head to sign an extension and no one stuck a gun to his head to pick and choose when he wanted to give a damn about this team this season.

Randle chose to play in NY. This is a tough environment for professional athletes. But that was HIS CHOICE. So he has to eat what comes with that. If fans want to boo, then they boo. If they want to cheer, then they cheer.

You are attempting to make lame ass weak excuses as to why Randle isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

Fournier is not expected to be the leader of this team. But when he saw Randle was having a tough time, he tried to encourage him like a good team mate. Then Randle slapped away his hand like a ****ing spoiled child and ran off like a little bitch.

That's a plain straight up bitch ass move. You don't treat your teammates like that. You don't call yourself a professional and act like that. You don't hide behind your coach and your other teammates because you don't want to talk to the media ( Which is mandated in every player's contract)

Julius Randle has proven himself to be mentally weak. You want to defend that. Even if it costs this team wins on the court. You are actively choosing to pick a path for this team to lose basketball games so you can keep making limp pathetic excuses for zero effort play.

HofstraBBall wrote:
Once again, what is your point? You should know there is no way the Knicks will give up on Randle months after signing him to an extension? What would that say about them? What would they get in return? Or are you just going to continue to whine about how he has hurt your feelings and how if it was you(news flash it is not/never was), you would be acting so much better?

*****

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/alex-caruso-21076/cash-earnings/

Alex Caruso was an UDFA and played for the Lakers for 2 season at about 2.7 million dollars a season. This was before he signed for a large payday with the Bulls.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/luguentz-dort-33033/cash-earnings/

Lu Dort was an UDFA and played for the Thunder for 3 seasons at about 3.5 million dollars TOTAL. This was before he signed a large extension with OKC.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/dorian-finney-smith-20757/cash-earnings/

Dorian Finney Smith was an UDFA and played for the Mavericks for 3 seasons at about 3.4 million dollars TOTAL. The next three years he made about 12 million total. That means Dallas got 6 years of valuable production for a little over 15 million total. This was before he signed a large extension with the Mavericks.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/duncan-robinson-27658/cash-earnings/

Duncan Robinson was an UDFA and played for the Heat for 3 seasons at about 3 million dollars TOTAL. This was before he signed a large extension with Miami.

You can't sign UDFAs with no service time to any form of cap exception. First round picks are RSE exceptions to the cap. The "veteran's minimum" is a structured scaled DVE exception to the cap. In order for the Lakers, Thunder, Heat and Mavericks to hold onto and sign guys who proved to be extremely valuable rotation guys on their teams, they needed open cap space. Every single dollar counts.

Julius Randle doesn't just risk the Knicks to a looming threat of a 30 million dollar a year for four years albatross around the team's neck. He also has close to nearly 3 million a season in Likely To Be Earned Incentives that he won't likely earn. That means those incentives COUNT AGAINST the Knicks total cap. That's money Randle won't make and won't be paid, but operates as "lost money" and "wasted money" in terms of total cap management. That punishes the Knicks cap flexibility for four years moving forward.

When I say Randle's extension could cost them the next Alex Caruso, I mean the next potential flier 2nd rounder or UDFA who can pan out and help this team. Every single dollar counts. Every wasted cap dollar is wasted opportunity for this team.

What the Knicks lost in wasted cap with Randle ( and I'm talking just about the incentive differential, not the 30 million dollar a year bull**** extension risk but yes that's a brutal looming threat to this team too) just solely on his incentive structure could cost them three years of the next Duncan Robinson.

The problem is you don't understand the cap, you don't understand team building, you don't understand the opportunity cost brutalized by Randle's bull**** behavior and you just want to make excuses.

The Knicks ALREADY tried to trade Randle this past trade deadline. No one wanted him and his bull****. The team is desperately trying to "give up" on him already. What in the world are you talking about. The team is doing what you are saying they aren't going to do. They've done it already. And his 4th year is a player option and he has a 15 percent trade kicker, which only will make it more costly to dump his contract if the Knicks can find someone to take this problem off their hands.

So it's not just Randle's bull**** for this year, it's the risk of this bull**** at 30 million a year and massive lost upscale and downscale cap flexibility for the four years after this one.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:
Once again, what is your point? You should know there is no way the Knicks will give up on Randle months after signing him to an extension? What would that say about them? What would they get in return? Or are you just going to continue to whine about how he has hurt your feelings and how if it was you(news flash it is not/never was), you would be acting so much better?

LONG LIST OF Assumptions!!

Funny how you help prove my point every time. Which is that you are just a disgruntled armchair fan that tries to make themselves out to be more than that. Your long winded posts, videos, cap retorts off Sportstrac are all based on retrospective assumptions. Basement level fan ****. Your ASSumimng we could have or will sign an UDFA like ones mentioned. Because they ALL turn out to have that type of impact. You are ASSuming we were looking to trade Randle this summer. You are ASSuming we are looking to move on from Randle. You fatman Berman? You are assuming we were going to get a favorable return. You are ignoring that Randle was still signed under market value at the time. Your ignoring he is still our best player and there have not been any viable replacements that have come to fruition. You are ignoring that your current chest puff is after a whole year of Randle leading the Knicks to the playoffs and you stuck in front of your computer with your head between your legs. You are ignoring that this narrative is only possible due to just two months of bad play. You are ignoring that the dreams in your head about someday becoming a FO GM is not going to happen.

C'mon man, it's not that hard. Randle was signed to a decent market extension considering his historical production. Randle played really well last year. Not playing at that level this year. Is he a long term building piece. Who knows. What I do know is that if Randle continues to produce, he will be a big part of the Knicks. No matter how much that irks you. I will be the first one to cheer if he is moved for someone who makes us better but not just to trade him no matter the cost. Which is what separates a true GM from frustrated fans like us.

Ron Baker should be the Knicks starting PG. Ron Fucking Baker. NEVER FORGET THAT TURD THAT DIDN'T QUITE STICK TO THE WALL.

And now Triple's quoting Jeff Van Gundy because it fills the narrative. A few years ago, JVG was a know-nothing talking head with little man issues. Now he's a player evaluator par excellance because he's decided to splash piss on Randle's head. And now we've apparently tossed the wisdom of the ages aside and "organic tanking" seems like a reasonable idea. What... the ... ****....?

Our best player may be a massive dickhead, but he's still the best player we have. Some fans can live with that. Others seem to have flashbacks of fat guys in hats in a bathrobe on TMZ. So lets do all sorts of cap space contractual yoga like some three time loser divorcee who's trying to get that muffin top under control so she can cougar her way back into the bar and end up being one of those bunnies bent over a pool table.

While we drool and whine over not having Alex Caruso and Duncan Robinson. Or Herro. I read Herro was a ****ing John Wick shooting assassin not that long ago.

HofstraBBall wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:
Once again, what is your point? You should know there is no way the Knicks will give up on Randle months after signing him to an extension? What would that say about them? What would they get in return? Or are you just going to continue to whine about how he has hurt your feelings and how if it was you(news flash it is not/never was), you would be acting so much better?

LONG LIST OF Assumptions!!

Funny how you help prove my point every time. Which is that you are just a disgruntled armchair fan that tries to make themselves out to be more than that.

Ron Baker should be the Knicks starting PG. Ron Fucking Baker. NEVER FORGET THAT TURD THAT DIDN'T QUITE STICK TO THE WALL.

And now Triple's quoting Jeff Van Gundy because it fills the narrative. A few years ago, JVG was a know-nothing talking head with little man issues. Now he's a player evaluator par excellance because he's decided to splash piss on Randle's head. And now we've apparently tossed the wisdom of the ages aside and "organic tanking" seems like a reasonable idea. What... the ... ****....?

Our best player may be a massive dickhead, but he's still the best player we have. Some fans can live with that. Others seem to have flashbacks of fat guys in hats in a bathrobe on TMZ. So lets do all sorts of cap space contractual yoga like some three time loser divorcee who's trying to get that muffin top under control so she can cougar her way back into the bar and end up being one of those bunnies bent over a pool table.

While we drool and whine over not having Alex Caruso and Duncan Robinson. Or Herro. I read Herro was a ****ing John Wick shooting assassin not that long ago.

Bro, this is classic ****. Lmao

I don't know if you have heard though but TiTi is a former pro athlete. He is also an expert on cap structure. Or maybe copy pasting **** from Sportstrac but expert none the less. Don't piss him off. He only graces us with his presence when he is not scouting for the next NFL HO Famer and going over Superbowl film for all the head coaches. Think you missed his smoking gun evidence on how Randle should be traded due to 446 minutes of +/- numbers in December. You heard it, like 9 while games? Check mate!! Unless you compare that to an entire 2020-21 season.

But seriously, do you think Ron is still available? Franky? Alex Caruso? No one believes me but each one of those could single handedly stop Embid, Tatum, Giannis, Durant and any other bum that thinks he can come close to their level of excellence.

Hofstra....Thank you. I thought it was just me. I don't get TiTi perspective on most of his post. I actually gave up trying.

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:
Once again, what is your point? You should know there is no way the Knicks will give up on Randle months after signing him to an extension? What would that say about them? What would they get in return? Or are you just going to continue to whine about how he has hurt your feelings and how if it was you(news flash it is not/never was), you would be acting so much better?

LONG LIST OF Assumptions!!

Funny how you help prove my point every time. Which is that you are just a disgruntled armchair fan that tries to make themselves out to be more than that.

Ron Baker should be the Knicks starting PG. Ron Fucking Baker. NEVER FORGET THAT TURD THAT DIDN'T QUITE STICK TO THE WALL.

And now Triple's quoting Jeff Van Gundy because it fills the narrative. A few years ago, JVG was a know-nothing talking head with little man issues. Now he's a player evaluator par excellance because he's decided to splash piss on Randle's head. And now we've apparently tossed the wisdom of the ages aside and "organic tanking" seems like a reasonable idea. What... the ... ****....?

Our best player may be a massive dickhead, but he's still the best player we have. Some fans can live with that. Others seem to have flashbacks of fat guys in hats in a bathrobe on TMZ. So lets do all sorts of cap space contractual yoga like some three time loser divorcee who's trying to get that muffin top under control so she can cougar her way back into the bar and end up being one of those bunnies bent over a pool table.

While we drool and whine over not having Alex Caruso and Duncan Robinson. Or Herro. I read Herro was a ****ing John Wick shooting assassin not that long ago.

Bro, this is classic ****. Lmao

I don't know if you have heard though but TiTi is a former pro athlete. He is also an expert on cap structure. Or maybe copy pasting **** from Sportstrac but expert none the less. Don't piss him off. He only graces us with his presence when he is not scouting for the next NFL HO Famer and going over Superbowl film for all the head coaches. Think you missed his smoking gun evidence on how Randle should be traded due to 446 minutes of +/- numbers in December. You heard it, like 9 while games? Check mate!! Unless you compare that to an entire 2020-21 season.

But seriously, do you think Ron is still available? Franky? Alex Caruso? No one believes me but each one of those could single handedly stop Embid, Tatum, Giannis, Durant and any other bum that thinks he can come close to their level of excellence.

Hofstra....Thank you. I thought it was just me. I don't get TiTi perspective on most of his post. I actually gave up trying.

Hofstra - not only do I know Triple is a former pro athlete, reigning capologist emperor, and NFL insider, but he also wears nothing but custom tailored shirts that make him look even more dazzlingly handsome than he actually is. Without photoshop!

Nonetheless, and although it does take a ****-load of work to go through all the needlessly cut and pasted articles and statistical analyses, he has mother lodes of gold hidden amongst the self-important tripe. Like everything else he trumpets, you have to work tirelessly like a ****ing professional or just GTFO.

His Obi rants from last season were worth the price of admission here. Which usually ends up being swallowing martin's leftist agenda and reading everyone else's ****. Although martin seems to have moved slightly more to center since his main squeeze went all Wally-ho on him.

blkexec wrote:
I thought it was just me. I don't get .... perspective on most of his post. I actually gave up trying.

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