Nalod wrote:Im up for any PG moves that frees randle to get a few easier shots each game.
If EF is the trade bait perhaps I can go for that.
EF going to the rim is looking good and better than Grimes from more angles.
He also can create his own shot better.
I like Grimes off the bench.
We should credit Thibs for his work on the second unit. The contrast to the 1st ist here but he has had a hand in both!
Not loving IQ PG work YET. Its improving.

Shout out to RJ in the lane pass to Mitch last night for that Ally App in traffic. That was impressive! I'll take RJ's 21 year old/got the ball more/growing into a stud before our eyes turnovers.

Not loving IQ at point is fine. But not following that up with who you rather have, means you are fine with Kemba? I've never been a Kemba fan, as far as running a team. I always thought Kemba is a shooting guard, in a PG body.

IQ is a shooting guard, but he's 6'3 with long arms. vs Kemba might be 5'11 with short arms. Neither are ideal PGs but if you had to chose between the two, who you picking?

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im up for any PG moves that frees randle to get a few easier shots each game.
If EF is the trade bait perhaps I can go for that.
EF going to the rim is looking good and better than Grimes from more angles.
He also can create his own shot better.
I like Grimes off the bench.
We should credit Thibs for his work on the second unit. The contrast to the 1st ist here but he has had a hand in both!
Not loving IQ PG work YET. Its improving.

Shout out to RJ in the lane pass to Mitch last night for that Ally App in traffic. That was impressive! I'll take RJ's 21 year old/got the ball more/growing into a stud before our eyes turnovers.

Not loving IQ at point is fine. But not following that up with who you rather have, means you are fine with Kemba? I've never been a Kemba fan, as far as running a team. I always thought Kemba is a shooting guard, in a PG body.

IQ is a shooting guard, but he's 6'3 with long arms. vs Kemba might be 5'11 with short arms. Neither are ideal PGs but if you had to chose between the two, who you picking?

You obviously not winning much with either, i think Kemba needs to go altogether.

He doesn't fit with Randle, he doesn't push the ball, his defense is suspect at times, he can't play back to backs.

Not sure there's a role on this team for Kemba

Uptown wrote:Not a big Dinwiddie fan but it looks like he might be available...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265636/Wizards-Interested-In-Trading-Spencer-Dinwiddie

Spencer Dinwiddie signed a three-year, $60 million contract with the Washington Wizards this past offseason and his tenure has so far been rocky.

Dinwiddie has a TS% of .512 and PER of 14.1, which are both down from his 19-20 season. Dinwiddie also has had some issues in the locker room with his Wizards' teammates.

The Wizards could be interested in trading Dinwiddie.

"The Wizards want to move Dinwiddie because he looks like a shell of his former self and his teammates don’t want him there," writes Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer.

That is harsh

Nalod wrote:

MS wrote:Don’t like it.

Isolation player coming off an injury on a big contract.

Fournier needs to be our sixth man, then he’s in the right position.

Question is who replaces EF as a starter?

RJ would simply move to SF which is his natural position and Burks or IQ start at SG

Philc1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not a big Dinwiddie fan but it looks like he might be available...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265636/Wizards-Interested-In-Trading-Spencer-Dinwiddie

Spencer Dinwiddie signed a three-year, $60 million contract with the Washington Wizards this past offseason and his tenure has so far been rocky.

Dinwiddie has a TS% of .512 and PER of 14.1, which are both down from his 19-20 season. Dinwiddie also has had some issues in the locker room with his Wizards' teammates.

The Wizards could be interested in trading Dinwiddie.

"The Wizards want to move Dinwiddie because he looks like a shell of his former self and his teammates don’t want him there," writes Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer.

Most likely the wizards will want expiring contracts. EF would be one bad contract for another

A more likely scenario would be Rose(1 more year on his deal before team opt out), and 2 throw in scrubs to match salaries like Solomon Hill and Wayne Selden

Dinwiddie would help us enormously. He can play pg full time. Burks and IQ can stay at SG where they belong and no more Kemba with his bad knee eye sore

Basically Dimwiddie is the alternative to Fournier teams could choose.

blkexec wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im up for any PG moves that frees randle to get a few easier shots each game.
If EF is the trade bait perhaps I can go for that.
EF going to the rim is looking good and better than Grimes from more angles.
He also can create his own shot better.
I like Grimes off the bench.
We should credit Thibs for his work on the second unit. The contrast to the 1st ist here but he has had a hand in both!
Not loving IQ PG work YET. Its improving.

Shout out to RJ in the lane pass to Mitch last night for that Ally App in traffic. That was impressive! I'll take RJ's 21 year old/got the ball more/growing into a stud before our eyes turnovers.

Not loving IQ at point is fine. But not following that up with who you rather have, means you are fine with Kemba? I've never been a Kemba fan, as far as running a team. I always thought Kemba is a shooting guard, in a PG body.

IQ is a shooting guard, but he's 6'3 with long arms. vs Kemba might be 5'11 with short arms. Neither are ideal PGs but if you had to chose between the two, who you picking?

Burks as his turnovers are fewer in crunch time. I’ve been supporting EF early as he had issues with his shoulder. Since then he has been shooting great. Not every game. He is not an all star. He is not paid as one either. If money is expectations then one must look up his contract in constrast to others. 17mil is a fair price for what he is bringing.

I get how we boil down to Deuce after Burks and IQ. Perhaps Alec either goes or he sits (we could give him the choice) after trade deadline and we put Redish and Mcbride in the rotation.
Fact is we have Drose coming on board after injury.

No doubt the two vet PG thing did not work out. Kemba was a good idea gone wrong. Drose last year was a bad idea that was fantastic! Bad in the sense he bombed his first time here and we expected so little. He exceeded and made our season. Perhaps thinking he could hold up was a stretch.

There is the popular notion by some:

Drose makes 13mil is ok.
EF makes 17mil is a franchise killer.
Funny ****.

Drose has one more year after this and we have no clear path to a starting PG at this moment. I have no regrets on Kemba as my expectations were small.
Burks looks more slight this year vs previous and perhaps he wanted to be quicker for playing PG. At 8mm per year he has been ok. Streaky shooter who is fun to watch when on. He is 6-5? When next to RJ he looks tiny.
For the 100th time, 21 year old RJ is a beast in the making!
Back on point, We are in a quandry over our PG status. Drose will be back in a few weeks and perhaps thats the best we can do. I like him off the bench as a closer than starter. Thus start IQ and pray.
Its not so easy to bring in a trade and think plug and play will solve that right away. IQ has improved and perhaps this is were we just suck it up and develop.

EwingsGlass wrote:

wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks

I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?

Jmpasq wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks

I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?

No one, we will have to send out a pick to get rid of him

Exactly, but more importantly, if reports indicate he's a shell of his former self, and teammates don't want him, why would he do better here?

The knicks showed next to no interest in him 6 months ago when they could have signed him ahead of Fournier.

It could be the best deal the Knicks could get for him, and actually gives Washington the second piece they want to put around Beal.

Nalod wrote:Gordon haywood at 4. Years guaranteed at 30mil per year, or 120mil guaranteed compared to Fourniers 54mil 3 year guarantee (4th year 19m is team option) looks pretty good if EF plays to this level of late which is not an aberration. He is not Haywood, nor an allstar, or an defensive stopper. But he is not paid as one either. He is Fultz, markennen type money. Look it up.

For Blogs to enhance his salary as a 4 year albatross deal to anger the fan base is wrong.

Some of you get locked in on a player and don’t see improvment. EF sucked first 6 weeks of season but is really playing better.
Same for Mitch. Kid is killing it. GM’s don’t just buy high or low, they know the players history and health and can make some projections.

EF is not the problem. Granted, Im not advocating we keep him forever or not use him if an opportunity arose but I don’t view him as a mistake.

Idk He is a problem defensively and that Kings game was about as well offensively as this team could do and they lost because they gave up 120 points. With Fournier the question is do they move him now or later, because if grimes develops his handle in order to drive consistently (because we already see him do it just not consistently) then Fournier doesn’t have a purpose on this team. The smart idea might be to keep him until the summer. Have him rebuild his stock and trade him.

EwingsGlass wrote:Dinwiddie is one season removed from an ACL injury. Not really welcomed in Washington. Good size for a PG, he seems like the kind of guy that will downright embrace Thibs for what he is or go down in flames horribly. That said, one season back and he is putting up decent numbers that may continue to improve as he gets stronger. His 3pt numbers leave something to be desired at 31%. But he seems committed on both offense and defense.

Fournier is a good player on a bad team. I don’t think he is starting caliber. I think a role behind Beal is probably best for him. He can shoot more and orchestrate more in a second unit. Nothing ultimately wrong with EF, just isn’t really working out.

This leaves Washington without much of a PG, might need to be expanded to include Kemba or a third team to get them a PG.

Dinwiddie/Barrett/Reddish/Randle/Robinson? Gets a bit more size on the perimeter.

Dinwiddie is the question. Has talent but seems to say a lot of dumb stuff. Not sure he is great for the NY media. But, I think he could also be a value upgrade.