Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:My opinion on this topic is it makes no sense to complain until the trade deadline. Even if they want to play him they are a little constrained by when they can trade players. On the topic of him earing a spot in the rotation. To earn a spot in the rotation you have to get non garbage minute time. With Thibs that is probably not going to happen.

Look at Grimes. He is the perfect Thibs player. If not for Covid chances are he would still be out of the rotation. He looked OK at best in his garbage time minutes because he is coming in cold for 1 or 2 minutes. You also need time enough to make mistakes so you learn from them. Those player in Cam's position will get pulled the instant they makes a mistake if he was lucky enough to get a minute or two of garbage time.

Y'all talking like Thibs isn't living breathing these players every day. Like he doesn't run practices with them and doesn't know what they are capable of. Honestly...

People been talking like Thibs is some all knowing coach because he got COY last year. However, everything I been saying to fix while we were still winning at the beginning of the season is the reason why we suck now. I still remember how many people came at me then on these forums. People who looked at our record and ignored the context that we played one of the easiest schedules in the NBA and was barely beating the worst teams and was even losing to some of them. So don't expect me to give him that much of a rope when he still trots out the worse defending lineup in NBA history night after night. I mean Thibs knows exactly what they are capable of but still trots out an almost guaranteed loss lineup every game.

Clean wrote:

Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:My opinion on this topic is it makes no sense to complain until the trade deadline. Even if they want to play him they are a little constrained by when they can trade players. On the topic of him earing a spot in the rotation. To earn a spot in the rotation you have to get non garbage minute time. With Thibs that is probably not going to happen.

Look at Grimes. He is the perfect Thibs player. If not for Covid chances are he would still be out of the rotation. He looked OK at best in his garbage time minutes because he is coming in cold for 1 or 2 minutes. You also need time enough to make mistakes so you learn from them. Those player in Cam's position will get pulled the instant they makes a mistake if he was lucky enough to get a minute or two of garbage time.

Y'all talking like Thibs isn't living breathing these players every day. Like he doesn't run practices with them and doesn't know what they are capable of. Honestly...

People been talking like Thibs is some all knowing coach because he got COY last year. However, everything I been saying to fix while we were still winning at the beginning of the season is the reason why we suck now. I still remember how many people came at me then on these forums. People who looked at our record and ignored the context that we played one of the easiest schedules in the NBA and was barely beating the worst teams and was even losing to some of them. So don't expect me to give him that much of a rope when he still trots out the worse defending lineup in NBA history night after night. I mean Thibs knows exactly what they are capable of but still trots out an almost guaranteed loss lineup every game.

Weren't you the poster advocating benching IQ after the first 4 games because he was in a shooting slump?

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Why does everyone give Thibs the benefit of the doubt. I don’t get it what has Thibs done that merits a benefit of the doubt. Thibs is a mediocre coach has always been this guy can’t be great without Rose. It’s as if Rose and Thibs are joined at the hip. Go back and see what Thjbs has accomplished without Rose and tell me how he has faired. Thibs has won 229 games and lost 207 games without Rose. With Rose his winning percentage sky rockets. You would think Tjibs would understand this and start looking for another player to latch on to as Rose is probably not going to be around but for a few years.

Rose has been on most of Thib's teams so it's an odd statement to make that Thibs can't win without Rose. And it's an even fatter and bolder statement to say that Thibs is so bad a coach without Rose that he is - wait for it - OVER .500 without Rose on the team? He is so bad without Rose that his teams are WINNING?

Thibs took a young Minny team to their first playoffs in like 14 years. Rose was on that team for a hot minute of about 10 regular season games. Previous to Tom arriving in Minny they were perennial bottom 10 team.

Thibs took some CHI teams with Rose on them where Rose missed most all of the season to the playoffs. That's right, the Chicago teams lost their best player, MVP, and focal point of everything and Thibs still made the playoffs.

It's an odd statement to make that a coach who has won 2 Coach of the Year awards as a not very good coach, especially when it was last won was the previous years.

Thibs is not the GM of the Knicks and can't just latch on to another player. The organization has to draft or trade for a player and then develop them. That doesn't happen over night.

Know your coach.

I said mediocre without Rose. I never said he was terrible or extremely bad. Look where the Knicks are right now without Rose. All I’m saying is it’s time for Thibs to look for his next Rose. I think McBride can be that guy. You keep saying McBride isn’t a point guard, he has more similarities to Rose. It’s not like Rose is a all world point guard he is more sg like than a pg. that is why Rose was never a high total assist guy.

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Why does everyone give Thibs the benefit of the doubt. I don’t get it what has Thibs done that merits a benefit of the doubt. Thibs is a mediocre coach has always been this guy can’t be great without Rose. It’s as if Rose and Thibs are joined at the hip. Go back and see what Thjbs has accomplished without Rose and tell me how he has faired. Thibs has won 229 games and lost 207 games without Rose. With Rose his winning percentage sky rockets. You would think Tjibs would understand this and start looking for another player to latch on to as Rose is probably not going to be around but for a few years.

Rose has been on most of Thib's teams so it's an odd statement to make that Thibs can't win without Rose. And it's an even fatter and bolder statement to say that Thibs is so bad a coach without Rose that he is - wait for it - OVER .500 without Rose on the team? He is so bad without Rose that his teams are WINNING?

Thibs took a young Minny team to their first playoffs in like 14 years. Rose was on that team for a hot minute of about 10 regular season games. Previous to Tom arriving in Minny they were perennial bottom 10 team.

Thibs took some CHI teams with Rose on them where Rose missed most all of the season to the playoffs. That's right, the Chicago teams lost their best player, MVP, and focal point of everything and Thibs still made the playoffs.

It's an odd statement to make that a coach who has won 2 Coach of the Year awards as a not very good coach, especially when it was last won was the previous years.

Thibs is not the GM of the Knicks and can't just latch on to another player. The organization has to draft or trade for a player and then develop them. That doesn't happen over night.

Know your coach.

I said mediocre without Rose. I never said he was terrible or extremely bad. Look where the Knicks are right now without Rose. All I’m saying is it’s time for Thibs to look for his next Rose. I think McBride can be that guy. You keep saying McBride isn’t a point guard, he has more similarities to Rose. It’s not like Rose is a all world point guard he is more sg like than a pg. that is why Rose was never a high total assist guy.

I keep saying I don't know very much about McBride cause I've never seen him play in college or the GLeague and only know what I read about and highlights, and then I ask anyone else who HAS seen him play to chime in, so far NADA. Literally no one points to much describing what they saw of his collegiate game as a PG or what they saw of him as a PG in the GLeague games.

Man, I've seen some really nice things from McBride's highlights. His defense is tenacious and a couple of his shooting outings have been phenomenal. But that's the same for a lot of late first and early second round picks.

PG'ing is HARD. Suggs and Cade kinda sucked starting for the first month or 2 of their pro season. Some highlights but they both struggled.

What do you guys think McBride is gonna do for a Knicks starting lineup offense that REALLY struggled for first 2 months of season? Maybe there will be a defensive bump over Kemba but essentially handing ball over to Randle and RJ won't be a good look.

Please stop. You’re too smart to keep asking for something that’s all over YouTube. How about you watch a full game on YouTube and tell us what you think.

Then compared what u watched to the article on the front page of your site. They did a great job breaking down deuce game.

Why does it feel like deuce is the only player in the entire nba you haven’t watched. I don’t think you really care, if you did that excuse would not have worked for this long. He’s spot on. Deuce offensive game reminds me of rose offensive game now.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/outerlink.asp?id=146677248

Also what’s the point in a Knicks fans perspective? If u like deuce, the assessment will be optimistic. If you don’t like him it will be pessimistic. The link I posted appears to be a good analysis of deuce game. U probably get more from that than watching 1 game or taking someone’s perspective from what they saw in 1 game.

I know I’ve answered your question in multiple ways and that doesn’t satisfy your itch. So u just have to wait until he plays an nba game I guess.

Clean wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Clean wrote:

Panos wrote:

Clean wrote:My opinion on this topic is it makes no sense to complain until the trade deadline. Even if they want to play him they are a little constrained by when they can trade players. On the topic of him earing a spot in the rotation. To earn a spot in the rotation you have to get non garbage minute time. With Thibs that is probably not going to happen.

Look at Grimes. He is the perfect Thibs player. If not for Covid chances are he would still be out of the rotation. He looked OK at best in his garbage time minutes because he is coming in cold for 1 or 2 minutes. You also need time enough to make mistakes so you learn from them. Those player in Cam's position will get pulled the instant they makes a mistake if he was lucky enough to get a minute or two of garbage time.

Y'all talking like Thibs isn't living breathing these players every day. Like he doesn't run practices with them and doesn't know what they are capable of. Honestly...

People been talking like Thibs is some all knowing coach because he got COY last year. However, everything I been saying to fix while we were still winning at the beginning of the season is the reason why we suck now. I still remember how many people came at me then on these forums. People who looked at our record and ignored the context that we played one of the easiest schedules in the NBA and was barely beating the worst teams and was even losing to some of them. So don't expect me to give him that much of a rope when he still trots out the worse defending lineup in NBA history night after night. I mean Thibs knows exactly what they are capable of but still trots out an almost guaranteed loss lineup every game.

Weren't you the poster advocating benching IQ after the first 4 games because he was in a shooting slump?

Yup, I wanted him benched for a game or two during that slump when he shot mid 20% in FGs and 3pter. Seems like everyone seems to forget that part and think I meant for the rest of the season because it seems to be all or nothing with some of you. You never know we might have seen the value in Grimes during that period instead of him rotting on the bench until Covid forced Thibs to give him real playing time.

For the past month or so Burks been in a similar slump. He needed to be benched for a game or two to give someone else a chance also. I mean unless you guys like
these 1 - 10 shooting performances. I mean I am not sure these days.

I believe the season was 3 games old when you started complaining about benching IQ and one of the arguments was that it was not long enough to be an actual "slump". As it turned out, it was not a slump and IQ's shooting started taking off in game 5ish. So in that sense, benching IQ probably would not have been the best move. Further, it would seem to me that the NBA is not similar to youth travel basketball where you plug different guys in and out of the lineup every couple games based on recency bias. By comparison, Burks has been slumping for over a month - so its really not comparable. Changing his role or sitting him might be more acceptable since it is much longer term than IQ.

To understand your early season proposal for IQ you have to relate - let's say you are working on a project team at work over the past 12 months - you've exceeded individual and team results and been recognized as a key young employee for the team, Your boss comes to you and says ...."Hey, even though you've been a great performer for the team over the past year - you had a rough week so I'm pulling you off the project to see how this new guy works out even though he doesn't have a track record. If he doesn't do well, I'll put you back on the project after that or if he does well, I'll find a different role for you on the project that might not be a good fit for you - but at least you'll have a job". How would you handle that situation and think of the company and your boss? Would you be motivated to work with him or her going forward?

BRIGGS wrote:Why waste time and number 1 pick if team hierarchy is not on same page. I’ve never heard of trading a one for a player who isn’t going to be used. Only thing I can counter Tgis with is we are trading another player and reddish may be re traded

Prediction: Cam will be hated by Knick fandom. Watching him in Atlanta, he had such a low motor and terrible body language. Not the mix NY fans like to get root for.

Briggs. Did you watch a lot of him in Atlanta?

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Why waste time and number 1 pick if team hierarchy is not on same page. I’ve never heard of trading a one for a player who isn’t going to be used. Only thing I can counter Tgis with is we are trading another player and reddish may be re traded

Prediction: Cam will be hated by Knick fandom. Watching him in Atlanta, he had such a low motor and terrible body language. Not the mix NY fans like to get root for.

Briggs. Did you watch a lot of him in Atlanta?

This

Aside from the Knicks, I've always followed the Hawks and Hornets and, although I don't catch EVERY game, I have seen Cam on the floor a few times and he doesn't seem much different than Knox. I was indifferent to the trade but believe sometimes, especially in sports, a change of scenery and playing system, can make a huge difference in a player......but I'm not holding my breath. I think a lot of folks on this site are going to be disappointed.