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martin
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1/25/2022  1:58 PM
jskinny35 wrote:All FO make mistakes (bad signings, poor draft choices) at some point - the good ones don't let their pride/ego not allow them to correct mistakes by making future moves.

If we can make a move that improves our roster, helps with flexibility, consolidates minutes, etc - the bottom line is the end result (not how it looked).

Yes. Pretty much most all teams have made moves and then next season immediately regretted.

We see how hard the Lakers are trying to move Westbrook. Brooklyn looked like roses 2 years ago and not so much now. Anyone think Riley punched himself in the balls after committing so much to Whiteside? Boston fans still trying to count the ways Ainge messed up with Kemba, Fournier, Rozier, Hayward, Al Horford. Michael Jordan double looks at Ainge regarding Hayward, that whole exchange was a double cluster****. Philly wants to get rid of both Ben and the contract of Harris who they both signed to max contracts.

We all worried about trading Randle and Fournier who we got for free can we used cap space on? Nope. Not for 1 second. They not whiny defensive about their actions

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Panos
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1/25/2022  1:58 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure what this FO thinking process is

We just traded for a player that has no role, and not exactly a big need. I personally think they're shopping Burks and Fournier on the low, You didn't just give up Knox and a 1st rounder for a player who you have no use for..(That would be worse than I T trading KVH for Tim Thomas)

Signed another player on a 10 day contract that won't see a min of PT.

We need to get an actually player you can slide into the rotation without scratching your head wondering where he's going to fit

OBI, Mitch or Noel for Wendell Carter JR and a 2nd rnd pick

What? You think trades and the perfect in-season rotation have to be worked out all on the same day?


Considering where the team currently sits in the standings and less than Half the season left.

The moves should have immediate impacts especially if your pulling the trigger a month before the deadline..

Can you honestly see a scenario where CAM can crack the rotation for 20+ min unless an injury happens

So it doesn't matter if it's 1 day or 1 month. Thibs comes off as a guy who only makes changes when he has no other choice.

Maybe everyone but you understands that Cam was not traded to literally make an immediate impact as soon as he was healthy? Like literally the next game?

Dude that is clearly obvious and your missing the point

So Let me just flat out asked you

Who would you bench going fwd to add Cam to the rotation full time?

I think the Knicks are going to make a trade to clean up the roster with the clear intention of getting Cam and some of the other young guys more minutes. Duh, right?

I think there are 2 types of trades the Knicks will look for: Trade Burks or someone for a bench rotation player who isn't playing in a 2 for 1 type deal where Knicks are the team to get 1 player back (with appropriate picks/assets). The other type of trade I see the Knicks doing is putting Randle in a big package going out. That'll really shake up rotations.

If they don't do any trades, after the trade deadline, I think they certainly sit Kemba.

If Grimes is ready for more minutes, I think Burks and Fournier's minutes get cut. From there we see Cam play if he earns and gets opportunity. Fournier is the main guy I see getting out of rotation especially if Grimes and Cam earn and really prove they need more minutes. Fournier will kick back after doing back-to-back with last season and the Olympics; he'll enjoy the rest and get ready for summer.

There is a chance that Rose is out longer than expected or maybe they ask him to really really really make sure his rehab is complete. And then tack on 2-4 weeks for good measure.


It certainly doesn't bode well for organization to trade it's TOP 2 Signings (Randle and Fournier) a 120 days after signing them long term, that's a clear signal of dysfunction.

Fournier is a guy (as we have saw) can light you for 25+ in a heart beat.

THE knicks Have 2 major problem

2 Redundant ceters in Mitch/Noel

2 Redundant pgs in Kemba/Rose

All 4 have serious health concerns and are unreliable

LOL no it isn't. It's called making roster decisions.

Randle just had an MVP'esque season and you think it would have been better to not resign him?

If the Knicks are in a position to trade Randle it's not like they are getting nothing back, you understand that right? If he returns a solid role player and the picks you want, it's all good.

Do you think these things through?

When you trade a player, some times you are getting rid of a problem. Some times you are UPGRADING to what you want that is more valuable to you.

Besides which, Randle may WANT to be traded at this point if his skin is not thick enough for the MSG fan abuse.

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1/25/2022  3:59 PM
I hate losing Obi but if we can get Brunson, we gotta do it. Doubt Dallas does it though. We'll have to overpay.

I like LaVert but not sure how he fits here. Guess he just takes Burks role? But he's really talented!

Barnes is a solid vet.

I think it's obvious we know we need to do something. No chance this team goes 16-4 to finish the season like last year.

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1/25/2022  8:55 PM
SergioNYK wrote:I hate losing Obi but if we can get Brunson, we gotta do it. Doubt Dallas does it though. We'll have to overpay.

I like LaVert but not sure how he fits here. Guess he just takes Burks role? But he's really talented!

Barnes is a solid vet.

I think it's obvious we know we need to do something. No chance this team goes 16-4 to finish the season like last year.

Dallas only does it on the premise that they believe Brunson intends to find a way to NY this summer and doesn’t want to risk being backed against the wall.

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1/25/2022  9:01 PM
Knixkik wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I hate losing Obi but if we can get Brunson, we gotta do it. Doubt Dallas does it though. We'll have to overpay.

I like LaVert but not sure how he fits here. Guess he just takes Burks role? But he's really talented!

Barnes is a solid vet.

I think it's obvious we know we need to do something. No chance this team goes 16-4 to finish the season like last year.

Dallas only does it on the premise that they believe Brunson intends to find a way to NY this summer and doesn’t want to risk being backed against the wall.

Our only shot at the Brunson fantasy is if Rose tells Cuban we will absorb the remainder of the Porzingis deal

F that

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1/25/2022  9:02 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure what this FO thinking process is

We just traded for a player that has no role, and not exactly a big need. I personally think they're shopping Burks and Fournier on the low, You didn't just give up Knox and a 1st rounder for a player who you have no use for..(That would be worse than I T trading KVH for Tim Thomas)

Signed another player on a 10 day contract that won't see a min of PT.

We need to get an actually player you can slide into the rotation without scratching your head wondering where he's going to fit

OBI, Mitch or Noel for Wendell Carter JR and a 2nd rnd pick

What? You think trades and the perfect in-season rotation have to be worked out all on the same day?


Considering where the team currently sits in the standings and less than Half the season left.

The moves should have immediate impacts especially if your pulling the trigger a month before the deadline..

Can you honestly see a scenario where CAM can crack the rotation for 20+ min unless an injury happens

So it doesn't matter if it's 1 day or 1 month. Thibs comes off as a guy who only makes changes when he has no other choice.

Maybe everyone but you understands that Cam was not traded to literally make an immediate impact as soon as he was healthy? Like literally the next game?

Dude that is clearly obvious and your missing the point

So Let me just flat out asked you

Who would you bench going fwd to add Cam to the rotation full time?

I think the Knicks are going to make a trade to clean up the roster with the clear intention of getting Cam and some of the other young guys more minutes. Duh, right?

I think there are 2 types of trades the Knicks will look for: Trade Burks or someone for a bench rotation player who isn't playing in a 2 for 1 type deal where Knicks are the team to get 1 player back (with appropriate picks/assets). The other type of trade I see the Knicks doing is putting Randle in a big package going out. That'll really shake up rotations.

If they don't do any trades, after the trade deadline, I think they certainly sit Kemba.

If Grimes is ready for more minutes, I think Burks and Fournier's minutes get cut. From there we see Cam play if he earns and gets opportunity. Fournier is the main guy I see getting out of rotation especially if Grimes and Cam earn and really prove they need more minutes. Fournier will kick back after doing back-to-back with last season and the Olympics; he'll enjoy the rest and get ready for summer.

There is a chance that Rose is out longer than expected or maybe they ask him to really really really make sure his rehab is complete. And then tack on 2-4 weeks for good measure.


It certainly doesn't bode well for organization to trade it's TOP 2 Signings (Randle and Fournier) a 120 days after signing them long term, that's a clear signal of dysfunction.

Fournier is a guy (as we have saw) can light you for 25+ in a heart beat.

THE knicks Have 2 major problem

2 Redundant ceters in Mitch/Noel

2 Redundant pgs in Kemba/Rose

All 4 have serious health concerns and are unreliable

LOL no it isn't. It's called making roster decisions.

Randle just had an MVP'esque season and you think it would have been better to not resign him?

If the Knicks are in a position to trade Randle it's not like they are getting nothing back, you understand that right? If he returns a solid role player and the picks you want, it's all good.

Do you think these things through?

When you trade a player, some times you are getting rid of a problem. Some times you are UPGRADING to what you want that is more valuable to you.

Besides which, Randle may WANT to be traded at this point if his skin is not thick enough for the MSG fan abuse.

Tough s. Randle is going nowhere unless a team gives us an offer we can’t refuse like the nets offering us Harden for Randle out of the blue

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1/25/2022  10:10 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure what this FO thinking process is

We just traded for a player that has no role, and not exactly a big need. I personally think they're shopping Burks and Fournier on the low, You didn't just give up Knox and a 1st rounder for a player who you have no use for..(That would be worse than I T trading KVH for Tim Thomas)

Signed another player on a 10 day contract that won't see a min of PT.

We need to get an actually player you can slide into the rotation without scratching your head wondering where he's going to fit

OBI, Mitch or Noel for Wendell Carter JR and a 2nd rnd pick

What? You think trades and the perfect in-season rotation have to be worked out all on the same day?


Considering where the team currently sits in the standings and less than Half the season left.

The moves should have immediate impacts especially if your pulling the trigger a month before the deadline..

Can you honestly see a scenario where CAM can crack the rotation for 20+ min unless an injury happens

So it doesn't matter if it's 1 day or 1 month. Thibs comes off as a guy who only makes changes when he has no other choice.

Maybe everyone but you understands that Cam was not traded to literally make an immediate impact as soon as he was healthy? Like literally the next game?

Dude that is clearly obvious and your missing the point

So Let me just flat out asked you

Who would you bench going fwd to add Cam to the rotation full time?

I think the Knicks are going to make a trade to clean up the roster with the clear intention of getting Cam and some of the other young guys more minutes. Duh, right?

I think there are 2 types of trades the Knicks will look for: Trade Burks or someone for a bench rotation player who isn't playing in a 2 for 1 type deal where Knicks are the team to get 1 player back (with appropriate picks/assets). The other type of trade I see the Knicks doing is putting Randle in a big package going out. That'll really shake up rotations.

If they don't do any trades, after the trade deadline, I think they certainly sit Kemba.

If Grimes is ready for more minutes, I think Burks and Fournier's minutes get cut. From there we see Cam play if he earns and gets opportunity. Fournier is the main guy I see getting out of rotation especially if Grimes and Cam earn and really prove they need more minutes. Fournier will kick back after doing back-to-back with last season and the Olympics; he'll enjoy the rest and get ready for summer.

There is a chance that Rose is out longer than expected or maybe they ask him to really really really make sure his rehab is complete. And then tack on 2-4 weeks for good measure.


It certainly doesn't bode well for organization to trade it's TOP 2 Signings (Randle and Fournier) a 120 days after signing them long term, that's a clear signal of dysfunction.

Fournier is a guy (as we have saw) can light you for 25+ in a heart beat.

THE knicks Have 2 major problem

2 Redundant ceters in Mitch/Noel

2 Redundant pgs in Kemba/Rose

All 4 have serious health concerns and are unreliable

LOL no it isn't. It's called making roster decisions.

Randle just had an MVP'esque season and you think it would have been better to not resign him?

If the Knicks are in a position to trade Randle it's not like they are getting nothing back, you understand that right? If he returns a solid role player and the picks you want, it's all good.

Do you think these things through?

When you trade a player, some times you are getting rid of a problem. Some times you are UPGRADING to what you want that is more valuable to you.

Besides which, Randle may WANT to be traded at this point if his skin is not thick enough for the MSG fan abuse.

Cmon, you don't sign a player on a 4 yr extension then trade him before the extension even kicks in, that would be ridiculous on so many level...FA would avoid this franchise like the plague, your own FA would look at you side ways, it would be PR nightmare in waiting

The last thing Randle said to the media/fan is how much he wanted to retire a knick.

The knicks are not trading Randle for anyone anytime soon so lets just kill that thought.

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1/25/2022  10:38 PM
I would have loves a Fournier for Rubio expiring trade but he stunk it up something serious in Cleveland yesterday.
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1/25/2022  11:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I'm not sure what this FO thinking process is

We just traded for a player that has no role, and not exactly a big need. I personally think they're shopping Burks and Fournier on the low, You didn't just give up Knox and a 1st rounder for a player who you have no use for..(That would be worse than I T trading KVH for Tim Thomas)

Signed another player on a 10 day contract that won't see a min of PT.

We need to get an actually player you can slide into the rotation without scratching your head wondering where he's going to fit

OBI, Mitch or Noel for Wendell Carter JR and a 2nd rnd pick

What? You think trades and the perfect in-season rotation have to be worked out all on the same day?


Considering where the team currently sits in the standings and less than Half the season left.

The moves should have immediate impacts especially if your pulling the trigger a month before the deadline..

Can you honestly see a scenario where CAM can crack the rotation for 20+ min unless an injury happens

So it doesn't matter if it's 1 day or 1 month. Thibs comes off as a guy who only makes changes when he has no other choice.

Maybe everyone but you understands that Cam was not traded to literally make an immediate impact as soon as he was healthy? Like literally the next game?

Dude that is clearly obvious and your missing the point

So Let me just flat out asked you

Who would you bench going fwd to add Cam to the rotation full time?

I think the Knicks are going to make a trade to clean up the roster with the clear intention of getting Cam and some of the other young guys more minutes. Duh, right?

I think there are 2 types of trades the Knicks will look for: Trade Burks or someone for a bench rotation player who isn't playing in a 2 for 1 type deal where Knicks are the team to get 1 player back (with appropriate picks/assets). The other type of trade I see the Knicks doing is putting Randle in a big package going out. That'll really shake up rotations.

If they don't do any trades, after the trade deadline, I think they certainly sit Kemba.

If Grimes is ready for more minutes, I think Burks and Fournier's minutes get cut. From there we see Cam play if he earns and gets opportunity. Fournier is the main guy I see getting out of rotation especially if Grimes and Cam earn and really prove they need more minutes. Fournier will kick back after doing back-to-back with last season and the Olympics; he'll enjoy the rest and get ready for summer.

There is a chance that Rose is out longer than expected or maybe they ask him to really really really make sure his rehab is complete. And then tack on 2-4 weeks for good measure.


It certainly doesn't bode well for organization to trade it's TOP 2 Signings (Randle and Fournier) a 120 days after signing them long term, that's a clear signal of dysfunction.

Fournier is a guy (as we have saw) can light you for 25+ in a heart beat.

THE knicks Have 2 major problem

2 Redundant ceters in Mitch/Noel

2 Redundant pgs in Kemba/Rose

All 4 have serious health concerns and are unreliable

LOL no it isn't. It's called making roster decisions.

Randle just had an MVP'esque season and you think it would have been better to not resign him?

If the Knicks are in a position to trade Randle it's not like they are getting nothing back, you understand that right? If he returns a solid role player and the picks you want, it's all good.

Do you think these things through?

When you trade a player, some times you are getting rid of a problem. Some times you are UPGRADING to what you want that is more valuable to you.

Besides which, Randle may WANT to be traded at this point if his skin is not thick enough for the MSG fan abuse.

Cmon, you don't sign a player on a 4 yr extension then trade him before the extension even kicks in, that would be ridiculous on so many level...FA would avoid this franchise like the plague, your own FA would look at you side ways, it would be PR nightmare in waiting

The last thing Randle said to the media/fan is how much he wanted to retire a knick.

The knicks are not trading Randle for anyone anytime soon so lets just kill that thought.

Spot on.

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