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Clean
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1/26/2022  1:10 AM
Why are people willing to give up so much for a half a season of Brunson when he will be a UFA and can leave us without compensation.
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1/26/2022  3:01 AM
Clean wrote:Why are people willing to give up so much for a half a season of Brunson when he will be a UFA and can leave us without compensation.

Whenever I check the dallas boxscore he always seems to have the worst +/- of the starters- I know it can be misleading, but it makes me suspicious
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1/26/2022  7:04 AM
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Flat earth might be more believable than the Brunson sign and trade proposals


Only way Cuban is giving us Brunson is if we take back douchingis disaster contract

Cuban might not have a choice. Brunson is an impending free agent. Knicks can easily negotiate early thru his father. If Brunson wants to go home to the Knicks than a deal will be made.

I just don't see why the Mavs would trade him. We don't have the cap space. We need to dump contracts to offer him a contract. There isn't a lot of teams that will be able to absorb the 25 million in cap space to offer a deal.

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1/26/2022  7:35 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Flat earth might be more believable than the Brunson sign and trade proposals


Only way Cuban is giving us Brunson is if we take back douchingis disaster contract

Cuban might not have a choice. Brunson is an impending free agent. Knicks can easily negotiate early thru his father. If Brunson wants to go home to the Knicks than a deal will be made.

I just don't see why the Mavs would trade him. We don't have the cap space. We need to dump contracts to offer him a contract. There isn't a lot of teams that will be able to absorb the 25 million in cap space to offer a deal.

Cap space doesn’t matter anymore. Player control is at an all time high. That Dallas pick we own gives the Mavs a ton of flexibility back to improve around Doncic. Again, this is dependent on Brunson wanting to leave and join the Knicks. Dallas isn’t going to block him if that’s his decision. They will work with him. They want good will with players.
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1/26/2022  7:36 AM
I want a stubborn coach who is confident in his ways. The good ones are.
Do the other coaches assist in offense? Or we waste each others time pretending we know everything?
Do we know if Brunson wants to be here? What can other teams offer in sign and trade for Dallas? Doe he want best financial package? Playing time to prove he can start? Is he really “Home” here?
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1/26/2022  8:14 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Flat earth might be more believable than the Brunson sign and trade proposals


Only way Cuban is giving us Brunson is if we take back douchingis disaster contract

Cuban might not have a choice. Brunson is an impending free agent. Knicks can easily negotiate early thru his father. If Brunson wants to go home to the Knicks than a deal will be made.

I just don't see why the Mavs would trade him. We don't have the cap space. We need to dump contracts to offer him a contract. There isn't a lot of teams that will be able to absorb the 25 million in cap space to offer a deal.

I don't think it is the perfect example but think of the Jerami Grant before he went to Detroit. He was a high level role player and intergral part of the Nuggets along side The Joker and Jamal Murray and MPJ. 25 years old 3&D guy who could guard and play SF/PF. Shot just under 40% from 3.

Grant was an UFA and Denver just went to WCF. One would think that the Nuggets would have wrapped him up to a nice contract so that he could stay on a high level team. As an organization if you KNEW he wanted to be in a different role or different team, you would have moved him before he reached free agency so that you could get the value from him you wanted. In hindsight, the Nuggets would have traded him before he could sign with Detroit and probably gotten something good in return.

The Nuggets ended up getting a big trade exception and some cash. Today, teams are calling Detroit wanting to trade FOR him even though he is hurt, even though they know he is not a #1 or #2 player in the big scheme of things for Detroit.

Dallas is in the same situation. They COULD lose Jalen for pretty much nothing. Maybe the Knicks are his destination but maybe it's some place else.

If you are Dallas you are gauging what he wants for contract and if you can resign him and if you think neither of those are comfortable for you, you trade him or risk losing for nothing.

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1/26/2022  9:21 AM
There is tax considerations as well and choices to make. They resigned Murry and porter, and with Joker were getting up there.
THere are times you have to let assets walk. They “won” with Joker and at the time felt MPJ had fallen into their laps thus can’t win them all. We might lose Mitch. He wants more than the 12mil we can extend him and there is nothing we can do about it. we can trade him but he might not fetch much in return in salary we take back. We can pay him more after the season but there is the risk.

So before we get all hindsight smart understand the moment decisions have to be made and the info you have at that moment.

Is this contract year motivated mitch? Or a still vastly improving one? Does he want to get to a team that will promise him more offensive capcity than Thibs has him doing? Does he want to be paid and chill? Macri bought up a a good point today that Milwaukee is a rare team that build around a 4. They pair Giannis with stretch 5 to give hm room to do his thing. Not saying Randle is at that level but he is best beasting around the rim. In NOLA he played a lot of center next to AD. Do we know long term if we are going to do that? Its not something Thibs has done in the past. Does not mean its written in stone for it never to be.

We have seen spurts of Randle with a healthy Noel. His offense is limited but better than Mitch. When Taj has started and is playing well the team does well also. I like mitch. I wonder if he is our future.

Thibian ball in the past included Joakim Noah and KAT. They had offensive games.
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1/26/2022  10:40 AM
Of all the point guard names being liked with the knicks someone im starting to really like is the Spurs' Murray. He is averaging 9assists/game and he is solid on defense. His 3pt shooting is abit lacking but overall a solid starting point guard. Is there a way to get him for obi or IQ, walker and a 1st?

Can the knicks move on from Randle? Can we trade him for Turner? Can we send Evan, Randle, burks And 2 1sts? Im loosing my patience with Randle, if its a good day for him he is useful(not great but useful) if his bad he is the best friend of the tank machine.
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1/26/2022  2:05 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Flat earth might be more believable than the Brunson sign and trade proposals


Only way Cuban is giving us Brunson is if we take back douchingis disaster contract

Cuban might not have a choice. Brunson is an impending free agent. Knicks can easily negotiate early thru his father. If Brunson wants to go home to the Knicks than a deal will be made.

Cuban has a choice. He can choose to pay Brunson and Finney Smith and pay luxury tax or just blow it up essentially. If you know how Cuban operates that’s not his style. He’ll go into the luxury tax

Of course he will. But what if Brunson wants to leave ?

He’s staying where the money is and Dallas can offer him the most $
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1/26/2022  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2022  2:07 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:Why are people willing to give up so much for a half a season of Brunson when he will be a UFA and can leave us without compensation.

Whenever I check the dallas boxscore he always seems to have the worst +/- of the starters- I know it can be misleading, but it makes me suspicious

I know it’s just one game but I wasn’t impressed at all with him when we played the mavs. He’s better than what we have but is he worth Obi, IQ, Grimes and picks? No
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