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VDesai
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1/12/2022  10:09 PM
Key with Mitch is staying on the floor. When the Knicks move the ball on offense he finds himself open under the basket.
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1/12/2022  11:07 PM
Mitch absolutely needs to be extended. Even Doris Burke, who was flushing her Pom poms early on in tonight’s game for her precious Luka and the Mavs, was impressed by Mitch
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1/13/2022  5:11 AM
I have been his biggest critic so far. There is something in the last few games that I saw and actually liked. Mitch is catching the ball right under the hoop with defenders in his face, he gathers( needs improvement here) and then he goes up strong and that's a good offensive possession for us. He used to be limited to only lobs. That's no longer the case. Now he is able to take advantage of the deep post position. Perhaps that weight and strength gained over the summer is finally paying off. If he learns to shoot free throws it's going to raise his scoring average by at least 5 points.

We far as extending him it's not a matter of yes/no. It's a matter of how much. He absolutely needs to be extended at the right price. 10 mil might be low balling, but anything above 15 mil I think would be too much.

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1/13/2022  5:56 AM
WE GOT 99 PROBLEMS AND MITCH AINT 1

Come on NYK where’s the LEAVE MITCH ALONE thread. You slippin

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1/13/2022  5:59 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.

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1/13/2022  7:24 AM
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.


I hope you weren't talking about me. Because I have said a gazillon times that we need a PG to unlock Mitch, Obi and Randle too. Mitch is not our problem, but if we sign him to a 20 mil contract he likely will be one.
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1/13/2022  8:51 AM
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.

But but Mitch doesn’t shoot 30% from 3 like all these scrub centers who are supposed to be soooooo much better


All he does is is give you double doubles, block shots and alter a ton of shots on the defensive end
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1/13/2022  8:51 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.


I hope you weren't talking about me. Because I have said a gazillon times that we need a PG to unlock Mitch, Obi and Randle too. Mitch is not our problem, but if we sign him to a 20 mil contract he likely will be one.

Perhaps I can be corrected if wrong, but we can only pay him 12.5mm extension?
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Nalod wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.


I hope you weren't talking about me. Because I have said a gazillon times that we need a PG to unlock Mitch, Obi and Randle too. Mitch is not our problem, but if we sign him to a 20 mil contract he likely will be one.

Perhaps I can be corrected if wrong, but we can only pay him 12.5mm extension?

Yeah, give or take, the Knicks can only offer Mitch ~$55M for 4 years from now til end of season. After that I think the $55M limit is removed but I am not sure on that second part.

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1/13/2022  9:33 AM
The only 2 recent centers that I can think of that were extended before their rookie contracts were up are Boston's Robert Williams - 4 years ~$50M - and Washington's Daniel Gafford - 3 years for $40M.
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1/13/2022  9:43 AM
But only when he is in shape

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1/13/2022  10:01 AM
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.

No one is hating on Mitch, the criticism he gets is his own fault.

The last time he had a really good game we seen this same response about Haters, he followed that up with 2 duds.

Consistency is the key shut ppl up

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1/13/2022  10:03 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.


I hope you weren't talking about me. Because I have said a gazillon times that we need a PG to unlock Mitch, Obi and Randle too. Mitch is not our problem, but if we sign him to a 20 mil contract he likely will be one.

What makes you think I'm referring to you? I haven't mentioned any names, and to be honest I thought it was clear who I was talking to. So now I'm curious. What did I say that made you think I was talking about you? Please enlighten me.

Other than that, I agree that a good PG will unlock Mitch potential, so will a good coach, a good team, and good playmakers. The only arguement I have is that you may be waiting a long time for a "good" PG (whatever good means). The label "PGs" are becoming extinct. We are in an era of Point Forwards (Ben Simmons) and under sized SGs (IQ) are replacing PGs. This is why Burks was moved into that position, because of his ability to guard these "Point Forwards" and undersized "SGs". In the 80s / 90s 6"10 Ben Simmons would be a SF / PF. 5'10 Isiah Thomas was a nice PG every team wanted and he was about to sign a lucrative deal. Now 5'10 Isiah Thomas can't find a job. Who would you rather guard Cad Cunningham, Isiah Thomas or Burks? It's a different game now.

We can't afford to wait for the NBA to change back to the days when the league was full of CP3 type PGs. Thats a long wait. Gotta find other ways to unlock Mitch. Maybe he's being unlocked as we speak, who knows. What I do know is, focusing on Mitch is not the answer. Randle and RJ right now are the key to us winning or losing. And lately Randle's been passing and playing unselfish, which has led to us winning. If we trade Mitch, great. I hope it works out. If we don't trade Mitch, great I hope it works out.

Meanwhile, RJ is ready to take that next step. Randle is learning on the job, how to be a leader. Whats interesting is how the media focus so much on Randle vs Knick fans, and ignores RJ's coming out party. The media and certain fans, crave drama or conflicts. Trying to create problems and turmoil withint the organization, because the knicks been a clown show for over 20 years. Lets hope Leon Rose is leading this cultural change.

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1/13/2022  10:19 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.

No one is hating on Mitch, the criticism he gets is his own fault.

The last time he had a really good game we seen this same response about Haters, he followed that up with 2 duds.

Consistency is the key shut ppl up

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1/13/2022  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2022  10:20 AM
martin wrote:But only when he is in shape

There was only 4 Centers in this entire draft, Mo Bamba, Wendall Carter, Ayton, Mitch.

This yr there's maybe 2 centers coming out.

You can actually count on one hand the amount teams in the NBA that have traditional centers.

Nobody in their right mind is giving Mitch a 4 yr contract, especially the conservative knicks

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knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:But only when he is in shape

There was only 4 Centers in this entire draft, Mo Bamba, Wendall Carter, Ayton, Mitch.

This yr there's maybe 2 centers coming out.

You can actually count on one hand the amount teams in the NBA that have traditional centers.

Nobody in their right mind is giving Mitch a 4 yr contract, especially the conservative knicks

Mitch being compared to Ayton #1 pick, Bagely #2, JJ #4, Bamba #6, Wendall #7, Robert Williams #27.

That's 6 guys, all but 1 in top 10.

Mitch will be getting a well deserved 4yr contract but keep thinking you are not hating.

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1/13/2022  10:38 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:But only when he is in shape

There was only 4 Centers in this entire draft, Mo Bamba, Wendall Carter, Ayton, Mitch.

This yr there's maybe 2 centers coming out.

You can actually count on one hand the amount teams in the NBA that have traditional centers.

Nobody in their right mind is giving Mitch a 4 yr contract, especially the conservative knicks

Don't forget Timelord and Jaren Jackson Jr., who swings between the 4 and 5. Plus, there were a few others. You can count Timelord, Jarett Allen, Clayton, Vooch, Stephen Adams,Ayton, Gafford and Jonas as "traditional" centers who start of the top of my head. I think Mitch can get four years, depending on the value of the contract given his age.

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1/13/2022  10:42 AM
Mitch got a lot of work to do himself in regards to positioning in PnR and spacing, etc. but a real PG will also unlock him

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martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:But only when he is in shape

There was only 4 Centers in this entire draft, Mo Bamba, Wendall Carter, Ayton, Mitch.

This yr there's maybe 2 centers coming out.

You can actually count on one hand the amount teams in the NBA that have traditional centers.

Nobody in their right mind is giving Mitch a 4 yr contract, especially the conservative knicks

Mitch being compared to Ayton #1 pick, Bagely #2, JJ #4, Bamba #6, Wendall #7, Robert Williams #27.

That's 6 guys, all but 1 in top 10.

Mitch will be getting a well deserved 4yr contract but keep thinking you are not hating.

No matter how much 1248 keeps complaining about Mitch, assuming he stays healthy, he will get a new contract or extension in the range of Robert Williams ($50M you mentioned above) at a minimum whether it's with the Knicks or otherwise.
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1/13/2022  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2022  11:16 AM
blkexec wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:He played like a monster tonight.

A perfect example as to why………Mitch haters should stfu. He is what we thought he was. Either use him or trade him. Stop making him the scape goat on why the team is losing. It’s like knick fans can’t live unless they have someone to hate.


I hope you weren't talking about me. Because I have said a gazillon times that we need a PG to unlock Mitch, Obi and Randle too. Mitch is not our problem, but if we sign him to a 20 mil contract he likely will be one.

What makes you think I'm referring to you? I haven't mentioned any names, and to be honest I thought it was clear who I was talking to. So now I'm curious. What did I say that made you think I was talking about you? Please enlighten me.

Other than that, I agree that a good PG will unlock Mitch potential, so will a good coach, a good team, and good playmakers. The only arguement I have is that you may be waiting a long time for a "good" PG (whatever good means). The label "PGs" are becoming extinct. We are in an era of Point Forwards (Ben Simmons) and under sized SGs (IQ) are replacing PGs. This is why Burks was moved into that position, because of his ability to guard these "Point Forwards" and undersized "SGs". In the 80s / 90s 6"10 Ben Simmons would be a SF / PF. 5'10 Isiah Thomas was a nice PG every team wanted and he was about to sign a lucrative deal. Now 5'10 Isiah Thomas can't find a job. Who would you rather guard Cad Cunningham, Isiah Thomas or Burks? It's a different game now.

We can't afford to wait for the NBA to change back to the days when the league was full of CP3 type PGs. Thats a long wait. Gotta find other ways to unlock Mitch. Maybe he's being unlocked as we speak, who knows. What I do know is, focusing on Mitch is not the answer. Randle and RJ right now are the key to us winning or losing. And lately Randle's been passing and playing unselfish, which has led to us winning. If we trade Mitch, great. I hope it works out. If we don't trade Mitch, great I hope it works out.

Meanwhile, RJ is ready to take that next step. Randle is learning on the job, how to be a leader. Whats interesting is how the media focus so much on Randle vs Knick fans, and ignores RJ's coming out party. The media and certain fans, crave drama or conflicts. Trying to create problems and turmoil withint the organization, because the knicks been a clown show for over 20 years. Lets hope Leon Rose is leading this cultural change.


What made me think is right there in the beginning of my post. Right where I say I am his biggest critic. If I offended you I apologize, and that attitude of yours is not really called for. You want me to get emotional or something?? " Enlighten me?" You are just a little full of yourself man, it's not a good look

As far as your point about PG labels being extinct I don't agree. You are confusing position less basketball with "label PG is becoming extinct". Is Ja not a PG? Magic was one of the best PG to ever play the game. His size did not make him a SF or a PF, he was still a PG. More and more guys have PG skills coming into the league. Just because Burks can guard bigger players does not make him a PG. No I don't want Isaiah Thomas and I am not sure why you want me to choose between him and Burks. Let me rephrase myself because the PG "label" got you all confused. I want a playmaker at the 1 position. I don't want to replace RJ, Randle, Mitch or even Fournier with a playmaker. I want to replace Burks with a PG. That's all. Deuce McBride might be that guy for us. I can only hope. There is a very clear meaning to the word hope. Meaning I am not sure if it will happen, just like I wasn't sure if you were talking about me.

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