knicks1248 wrote:

Maybe he's disgusted with management for wasting 30 mill on EF and KEMBA as oppose to signing another ALL star

Even if Randle Duplicated his season from last yr, it was only good enough for a 1st round exit

Philc1 wrote:Why do you guys think KD and Kyrie didn’t sign here?

Kyrie grew up a Nets fan and Durant followed behind him...

Yep we suck. Screaming MVP all last year now the boo birds are out this year. Randle might not be the perfect player. Some fans don’t even call him an all star, even though he was an all star last year and received some votes for mvp. Yep we suck.

This moment in time will either make or break Randle. Sometimes these situations will force the FO to trade him. The problem is that’s how must star players are these days. There’s only a few elite players in the league, and they ain’t going any where. The rest are all at Randles level. So even if we trade him for another star player or potential star player like grant. Knick fans don’t have the patience. Randle is a person like you and me. He’s going to have good days and bad days. Good months and bad months. I’m not sure if booing him will help him. But his thumbs down gester directed to all the people in here and at msg who constantly dogs him more than rival fans from other teams.

Personally I don’t think he’s the right player to build around, and I’m on record saying that many times, due to thibs style and what NYC likes in their players. But the last thing I would do is boo someone who shows consistency. Other players are load managers. Randle is solid. Shows up everyday and represents NYC well. We need to appreciate what we have because we’ve all seen worse. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we build around Randle and RJ instead of replacing them. But we gotta allow them to have growing pains.

blkexec wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33011058/new-york-knicks-julius-randle-says-thumbs-gesture-meant-shush-booing-fans-madison-square-garden

Yep we suck. Screaming MVP all last year now the boo birds are out this year. Randle might not be the perfect player. Some fans don’t even call him an all star, even though he was an all star last year and received some votes for mvp. Yep we suck.

This moment in time will either make or break Randle. Sometimes these situations will force the FO to trade him. The problem is that’s how must star players are these days. There’s only a few elite players in the league, and they ain’t going any where. The rest are all at Randles level. So even if we trade him for another star player or potential star player like grant. Knick fans don’t have the patience. Randle is a person like you and me. He’s going to have good days and bad days. Good months and bad months. I’m not sure if booing him will help him. But his thumbs down gester directed to all the people in here and at msg who constantly dogs him more than rival fans from other teams.

Personally I don’t think he’s the right player to build around, and I’m on record saying that many times, due to thibs style and what NYC likes in their players. But the last thing I would do is boo someone who shows consistency. Other players are load managers. Randle is solid. Shows up everyday and represents NYC well. We need to appreciate what we have because we’ve all seen worse. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we build around Randle and RJ instead of replacing them. But we gotta allow them to have growing pains.

Patience.

blkexec wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33011058/new-york-knicks-julius-randle-says-thumbs-gesture-meant-shush-booing-fans-madison-square-garden

Yep we suck. Screaming MVP all last year now the boo birds are out this year. Randle might not be the perfect player. Some fans don’t even call him an all star, even though he was an all star last year and received some votes for mvp. Yep we suck.

This moment in time will either make or break Randle. Sometimes these situations will force the FO to trade him. The problem is that’s how must star players are these days. There’s only a few elite players in the league, and they ain’t going any where. The rest are all at Randles level. So even if we trade him for another star player or potential star player like grant. Knick fans don’t have the patience. Randle is a person like you and me. He’s going to have good days and bad days. Good months and bad months. I’m not sure if booing him will help him. But his thumbs down gester directed to all the people in here and at msg who constantly dogs him more than rival fans from other teams.

Personally I don’t think he’s the right player to build around, and I’m on record saying that many times, due to thibs style and what NYC likes in their players. But the last thing I would do is boo someone who shows consistency. Other players are load managers. Randle is solid. Shows up everyday and represents NYC well. We need to appreciate what we have because we’ve all seen worse. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we build around Randle and RJ instead of replacing them. But we gotta allow them to have growing pains.

Judging from Randle's own statements about FO support, he ain't going anywhere soon.

I'm not a Randle fan but neither am I a "boo-bird" either. We're stuck with him for good and bad.

But this team is a long way from contending and I'm not sure what that means given this front office. If we truly "suck" its not a 'one-player-away' issue. Its a compound FO, management, team construction problem. Too many esoteric hang-ups - Thibs' preferences, Randle's PG preferences, gym-rat mentality, and so on all add up to a complex puzzle that doesn't necessarily spell winning a ring.

Nalod wrote:

blkexec wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33011058/new-york-knicks-julius-randle-says-thumbs-gesture-meant-shush-booing-fans-madison-square-garden

Yep we suck. Screaming MVP all last year now the boo birds are out this year. Randle might not be the perfect player. Some fans don’t even call him an all star, even though he was an all star last year and received some votes for mvp. Yep we suck.

This moment in time will either make or break Randle. Sometimes these situations will force the FO to trade him. The problem is that’s how must star players are these days. There’s only a few elite players in the league, and they ain’t going any where. The rest are all at Randles level. So even if we trade him for another star player or potential star player like grant. Knick fans don’t have the patience. Randle is a person like you and me. He’s going to have good days and bad days. Good months and bad months. I’m not sure if booing him will help him. But his thumbs down gester directed to all the people in here and at msg who constantly dogs him more than rival fans from other teams.

Personally I don’t think he’s the right player to build around, and I’m on record saying that many times, due to thibs style and what NYC likes in their players. But the last thing I would do is boo someone who shows consistency. Other players are load managers. Randle is solid. Shows up everyday and represents NYC well. We need to appreciate what we have because we’ve all seen worse. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we build around Randle and RJ instead of replacing them. But we gotta allow them to have growing pains.

I think we mistake teams FO as having a master plan laid out. Its often fluid. Randle in my mind is not paid like a super star, and while he as good as we got, we build with him and not around. By that, not a corner stone but a building block. RJ we don’t know is that either. But until then we roll with what we got.
does that mean a trade presents itself we don’t chase it? No. If it makes sense we do. RJ is 21 and is very good. Is he Jordan/Kobe like? Likely not, but at 21 Jordan was a rookie and Kobe was just putting it together so its not out of the question, just not bankable.

Randle has to work thru the negativity justified or not. MVP chants are the other extreme. NY fans are Bipolar.

Confirmation bias. This forum is representative of the Knicks fanbase as a whole.

But I’m giving Randle the benefit of doubt, due to his effort from last year. Fast forward to this year and Randle deserves a little grace because he’s already proved to me that he wants it and knows what it takes to get it. So when I see him giving less energy than last year, why would I boo him? Instead I’m like maybe something is wrong. Injury family issues. Or his dislike of the players or team the FO built around him. Same with RJ. He earned some grace as well, do to his hard work last year and his improvement.

EF hasn’t proved anything. He deserves the boos. But as you see lately, if he can put up 41 against the Celtics, then maybe we can work with that. Maybe it’s a chemistry issue. Maybe there’s not enough balls to go around in that starting lineup.

But that’s my approach. Just like work. One time for about a month or 2, my performance was low. Then my manager looked at my history and said, wow u won an award u performed well. Maybe it’s not u but your environment. Instead of firing me or booing me, he helped me by providing a mentor for me. But if I didnt have a good performance in the past, the company would’ve let me go. I treat the players with the same grace.

I treat the FO with the same grace. The FO already proved to me that they are worth it, regardless of any small mistake they made during free agency. At the time I agreed with the moves and it made since. We needed more offense. We needed player who can create. So the FO granted that wish. Unfortunately they didn’t realize how impactful the players they let go, was on defense. So we swung the pendulum to far to the right. Now let’s see how they can course correct either with a trade or during the off season.

ccch wrote:His BB IQ is terrible. He would definitely have be with other stars. He's probably a bench player to play in non critical situations to give starters a rest.

His BB IQ is terrible if you are comparing it to the elite in the NBA.

Michael Jordan's BBIQ was not prime during his younger years, it took years of experience and then Phil to help him realize what he was doing wrong and unlock the beast.

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:

ccch wrote:His BB IQ is terrible. He would definitely have be with other stars. He's probably a bench player to play in non critical situations to give starters a rest.

His BB IQ is terrible if you are comparing it to the elite in the NBA.

Michael Jordan's BBIQ was not prime during his younger years, it took years of experience and then Phil to help him realize what he was doing wrong and unlock the beast.

Great example with Michael Jordan (the All-Time great).

Everyone only talks about and remembers his 6-0 record in the Finals but we never talk about his failures before reaching 6-0 (all while LeBron James gets scrutinized for his playoff failures).

▪︎ Michael Jordan didn't win his first NBA Championship until his 7th season in the league (@ 27 years old).

▪︎ Michael Jordan's Bulls had losing below .500 seasons during his 1st 3 years in the league @ 38-44, 30-52 and 40-42) and the only reason why Chicago made the playoffs during MJs first 3 years was because Chicago played in an extremely weak Eastern Conference (outside of the top 3-4 seeds, the rest of the Eastern Conference was absolute trash).

▪︎ During Michael Jordan's first 6 years in the league he suffered 3 1st round exits to Milwaukee (3-1) and Boston x2 (an extremely high I.Q Larry Bird swept his ass 2x in the 1st round). Jordan could never beat Larry Bird's Celtics.

▪︎ During Michael Jordan's first 6 years in the league not only was he eliminated during the 1st round 3x (sweep 2x and lost 3-1 1x) but also lost to the physically tough and bad boy Detroit Pistons 3x (4-1 in the 2nd round, 4-2 in the Conference Finals and 4-3 in the Conference Finals) and just like Milwaukee/Boston; Detroit Pistons made Chicago and MJ their bitch while eliminating him 3x by the score of 12 games to 6). Jordan could never beat Detroit until NBA year #7 (once they were older, aging and washed up).

▪︎ Michael Jordan suffered all of these playoff failures throughout his first 6 NBA seasons and didn't win his first Championship until year #7.

▪︎ (and this was also after a full 3 years of NCAA development @ UNC and was already 22 years old during his Rookie Season).

Which is why I take it with a grain of salt when fans harp all over Julius Randle losing to Atlanta 4-1 @ 26 years old during the playoffs last year and/or R.J. Barrett being only 21 years old during his 3rd NBA season because as a team? You've gotta learn how to lose together before before knowing how to win together.

However, Randle comes no where near acceptable in terms of overall effort. It is lacking.

Above all else, this is something he CAN control.