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JesseDark
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1/4/2022  8:23 AM
Nalod wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

What did we lose?

Opps,I mean what did we gain?

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1/4/2022  8:25 AM
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JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

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1/4/2022  8:38 AM
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

I don't know what you are asking. Rondo was going to Cavs regardless of the Knicks involvement - this deal was already set in place about a week ago until Rondo entered COVID protocol and it delayed the deal. The Knicks stuck their nose into the deal and came away with an extra $1M and an additional draft rights player.

After all of the other stuff I explained, why do you have the impression Brock did this to help Rondo?

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1/4/2022  8:48 AM
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Nalod wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

What did we lose?

Opps,I mean what did we gain?

Martin just said “Good will” and $500k in salary. Cutting the seldom used Selden and Denzel we signed Ryan A and have an open spot.
The “Lubricants” is like a spoon of sugar helps the medicine gone down.

Don’t forget the abstract “we need better players” requires mountains of details most of us ignore. Example when fans do the 3 for one trade thing and then causually throw in another player for convenience. Reality is you need roster spots and cap space. If your over the cap and in tax hell those small amounts start to multiply. Its boring **** for most of us but Aller has a job to do and lets not forget Mills role in all of this. Aller is not the chief artchitect. Thats Leon, then MIlls, then Aller as the money guy. But he is super important. While he was not in on all of the Clevelend things that signed and finangled to get Allen they had expiring contracts, was able to resign him when basically he was discarded so Nets could get Deandre Jordan and then again he was a trade chip, and now they have a very good center with Mobley and perhaps he gets traded again in the future, but look at them now. For all that to happen you need to set the table a year or two in advance and have some flex.

Also its bad business to bring in EF and Kemba and then discard them after a third of the season like fans would think. Signing FA, espcecially ones that have families then ****ing them over is not good way to build an attractive destination unless your upfront about intentions. We are not privy to negotiations but its possible we over paid EF as teams wanted him to trade him down the road. He at least goes in with that and we don’t get a rep for screwing guys. Kemba is a very unique situation. Blame Thbs for back to back or was that on the table when he signed were both parties agreed he’d play them.
Kemba earned his player of the week because he was a rested all star talent then he back on the shelf becuase he is breaking down. We all know this. He knows it, Thibs knows it. Team took it as a gamble. For all we know we trade him to a contender with his permission, maybe buy hiim out, or we have a handshake deal he retires and leaves money on the table. I can guess. But im not making **** up. Just thinking of possibilities, not how Nalod would feel or project my emotions if I was kemba.

What did we gain? Likley just one of the many options on the chessboard were moves are anticipated. Could be one of many, or one that never comes.

Aller gave Mills a opportunity. He might never use it.

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1/4/2022  8:54 AM
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JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

I don't know what you are asking. Rondo was going to Cavs regardless of the Knicks involvement - this deal was already set in place about a week ago until Rondo entered COVID protocol and it delayed the deal. The Knicks stuck their nose into the deal and came away with an extra $1M and an additional draft rights player.

After all of the other stuff I explained, why do you have the impression Brock did this to help Rondo?

My q is who is Brock and how does he fall into the picture? Original question is wondering why we got involved in the deal, which you have answered.

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1/4/2022  9:05 AM
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

I don't know what you are asking. Rondo was going to Cavs regardless of the Knicks involvement - this deal was already set in place about a week ago until Rondo entered COVID protocol and it delayed the deal. The Knicks stuck their nose into the deal and came away with an extra $1M and an additional draft rights player.

After all of the other stuff I explained, why do you have the impression Brock did this to help Rondo?

My q is who is Brock and how does he fall into the picture? Original question is wondering why we got involved in the deal, which you have answered.

Oh. He is an executive with the Knicks.

He is Leon's other right hand man. He is a capologist. He is a trade guy. He is the Knicks' Moneyball person.

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1/4/2022  10:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2022  10:48 AM
Brock aller job is no unique to Knicks as he did this in Clev. His job is the details. To understand the cap and taxes is to understand trades are just not pulled out of thin air as we’d like to propose.

When Lebron wanted someone it was Allers job to find a financial and compensatory path to make the acquisition. The GM has to then decide if the price is right and negotiate to make it happen or not.
You may not have to understand how all tax works in NBA but just know the multipliers are intense when you go over and the longer your over the worse it gets. So its why teams hold back before going into tax hell.

That Cleveleand is where they are to day is not because of just one move. Its not just the Current GM, but the ground work laid by Aller and the guy who took his job. Clev is now pointed in the right direction is not an overnight thing. When Allen became available at a steal they grabbed him and had the abilty to sign him. He was an upgrade over Drummond. Clev was gifted Mobley but thats how the game works. Create opportunity. Sometimes its Anthony Bennett, sometimes its Mobley.

You might want to understand not all what Aller does but don’t assume that because you don’t does not mean its “stupid move”. We are not privy to the strategy. These things are like bullets. You waste them when you miss. Teams miss. If luck is a part of the equation and I believe it is, then having more Bullets, or “opportunities” increases output. Its why we are drafting more and using the gleague more. This has been ongoing since 2016 with knicks but we have not hit paydirt yet. Well, sort of, Randle was a god send up thru this season, RJ is only 21 for goodness sake, and we had a good last season and we did not starphuch (yet) to improve quickly. We are doing it the right way. Not apparent at the moment is it?

Few things are.

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1/4/2022  10:20 AM
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

I don't know what you are asking. Rondo was going to Cavs regardless of the Knicks involvement - this deal was already set in place about a week ago until Rondo entered COVID protocol and it delayed the deal. The Knicks stuck their nose into the deal and came away with an extra $1M and an additional draft rights player.

After all of the other stuff I explained, why do you have the impression Brock did this to help Rondo?

My q is who is Brock and how does he fall into the picture? Original question is wondering why we got involved in the deal, which you have answered.

Oh. He is an executive with the Knicks.

He is Leon's other right hand man. He is a capologist. He is a trade guy. He is the Knicks' Moneyball person.

Ok got it. I was thinking he was just someone with a blog.

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1/4/2022  10:33 AM
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I wonder what the motivation was to get in on the Rondo deal. Seems like we did a favor to the Lakers. We have already cut Valentine so what did we gain?

I do think the trade landscape is in part about relationships. Brock Aller literally picks up the phone and makes calls to Cavs and Lakers. Even at the very least, good will and connections are established for later down the line.

The Knicks saved the Lakers $ while also grabbing themselves some. Even if you only pick up $500K, that's still a trainer or 2's salary plus some extra if it is indeed put back into the budget. I think the Knicks netted ~$1M. The Lakers saved around $4M?

There was perhaps 1 article I read a while back where Brock Aller talked about the value of the Euro stash picks that teams KNOW will never pan out and make it to the NBA: They become trade lubricants. The Knicks really don't give up anything by trading up the rights to Labeyrie while taking on 2 more but still netted something; those draft rights are the assets that allow the Knicks to get involved and Brock LOVES them.

So Brock Aller is the agent for Rondo?

I don't know what you are asking. Rondo was going to Cavs regardless of the Knicks involvement - this deal was already set in place about a week ago until Rondo entered COVID protocol and it delayed the deal. The Knicks stuck their nose into the deal and came away with an extra $1M and an additional draft rights player.

After all of the other stuff I explained, why do you have the impression Brock did this to help Rondo?

My q is who is Brock and how does he fall into the picture? Original question is wondering why we got involved in the deal, which you have answered.

Oh. He is an executive with the Knicks.

He is Leon's other right hand man. He is a capologist. He is a trade guy. He is the Knicks' Moneyball person.

Ok got it. I was thinking he was just someone with a blog.

Ha. IMHO he is a critical cog in the FO machinery.

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