MS wrote:

Hes been disengaged this year, is struggling with his shot and isnt the same player is a big reason why we are out of the playoffs.

Big reason why we're out of the playoffs?

We're 1.5 games back of the 6th seed and also 1.5 games back of the NBAs 10th best record.

Was Julius Randle the reason we were out of the playoffs last year @ 25-27 and 2.0 games below .500 after 52 games?!?

Oh how quickly this fan base has already forgotten.

Knicks wouldn't even have 5 wins this year without Julius Randle. 7-9 max.

Panos wrote:Win 60 what?

That 60 win team of 1992 was only 21-14 after 35 games. Exactly 4.0 games ahead of this years team.

Ok. So we might fall short of 60 wins but we're going to without question win at least 50.

You'll see.

Sambakick wrote:You wanna use win-loss metric because if you used any actual Jrandle stat you would have no leg to stand on.

No leg to stand on?

He became the 1st and only NBA player dating back to 1986's MVP Larry Bird to ever average 20+ points (24.1), 10+ rebounds (10.1) and 5+ assists (6.0) while @ over .400% from 3PT (.411%).

Sorry. But I'm not a fan who quits on our best and most DOMINANT player (not even 36 games into the season).

2020: 24.1 points, 10.1 rebounds, 6.0 assists and .411% from 3. 17-18 after 35 games.

2021: 19.3 points, 10.0 rebounds, 5.0 assists and .328% from 3. 17-18 after 35 games.

His numbers (despite 2.3 minutes fewer per game this year) outside of 3PT% are damn near identical to his All-Star and NY MVP season of last year.

I'm just not stupid enough to quit on him not even 36 games into the season.

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NYKMentality wrote:

Sambakick wrote:You wanna use win-loss metric because if you used any actual Jrandle stat you would have no leg to stand on.

No leg to stand on?

He became the 1st and only NBA player dating back to 1986's MVP Larry Bird to ever average 20+ points (24.1), 10+ rebounds (10.1) and 5+ assists (6.0) while @ over .400% from 3PT (.411%).

Sorry. But I'm not a fan who quits on our best and most DOMINANT player (not even 36 games into the season).

2020: 24.1 points, 10.1 rebounds, 6.0 assists and .411% from 3. 17-18 after 35 games.

2021: 19.3 points, 10.0 rebounds, 5.0 assists and .328% from 3. 17-18 after 35 games.

His numbers (despite 2.3 minutes fewer per game this year) outside of 3PT% are damn near identical to his All-Star and NY MVP season of last year.

I'm just not stupid enough to quit on him not even 36 games into the season.

His numbers aren't damnnear identical.

With that said, I am curious to see if the offensive flow, ball and player movement will be more consistent with his absence. The starters will have decent ball movement on consecutive possessions then will interrupt the rhythm as if they are obligated to pass Randle the ball at the elbow every third possession or so and stand around, waiting for him to do something.

I am also curious to see the rotations. This is a time for Randle to observe, self evaluate and figure put the best way to imement himself back into flow when he returns.

This year?

Lower Points Per Game than last year.
Lower FG% than last year.
Lower 3PT% than last year.
Lower FT% than last year.
Lower Assists Per Game than last year.

I wonder if I'm allowed to give Nikola Jokić the same NY Julius Randle "treatment" and claim he's a fake MVP and blame his Nuggets mediocre 17-16 record ALL ON HIM? 😅🤣

Lets be honest here. Denver has regressed since last year (because of him) and Nikola Jokić himseld has regressed from his MVP season of last year.

Maybe Denver Nuggets would celebrate Nikola Jokić catching NBA covid protocol and maybe Denver Nuggets are frustrated about 17-16 and would like to see how Denver plays 3-5 games without Nikola Jokić? 😅

NYKMentality wrote:Last years MVP Nikola Jokić is also having a down year.

This year?

Lower Points Per Game than last year.
Lower FG% than last year.
Lower 3PT% than last year.
Lower FT% than last year.
Lower Assists Per Game than last year.

I wonder if I'm allowed to give Nikola Jokić the same NY Julius Randle "treatment" and claim he's a fake MVP and blame his Nuggets mediocre 17-16 record ALL ON HIM? 😅🤣

Lets be honest here. Denver has regressed since last year (because of him) and Nikola Jokić himseld has regressed from his MVP season of last year.

Maybe Denver Nuggets would celebrate Nikola Jokić catching NBA covid protocol and maybe Denver Nuggets are frustrated about 17-16 and would like to see how Denver plays 3-5 games without Nikola Jokić? 😅

Jokic leads the league in PER at 32.41. He can have lower in all those stats you listed and still be in the conversation for best in the league. Randle's PER is 16.32. He does not even deserve to be in the same conversation as Jokic. Try another strawman argument.

NYKMentality wrote:The hatred for Julius Randle is disgusting.

Led us to the playoffs for the 1st time since 2012-2013.

NBAs most improved player.

NBA All-Star.

But yet some of you guys are "celebrating" his covid protocol and quitting on him only 35 games into the season?

Some of you Julius Randle critucs are too clueless to comprehend NY was 17-18 after 35 games last year and also only 25-27 after 52 games last year.

(thnx God coach Thibs didn't quit on Julius Randle like you guys do).

Thankfully the only games we'll be without Randle are against 3 crap teams OKC/Toronto/Indiana/.

So even if we go 3-0 without Randle it means absolutely nothingness in regards to "proving NY doesn't need him".

I'm expecting time needed to adjust as the offense will be totally different. Everyone aside from the 2nd unit has been standing around trying to play off of Randle - now it will have to shift somewhat. Good ball movement, faster switching on defense, increased tempo, more cutting and passing would be my way of evaluating the difference. Will RJ assume Randle's roll or will Thibs allow a more free-flowing type of offense?
3 games probably won't say too much IMO. And despite not being a Randle fan - we will likely miss him when the game slows down and against higher quality opponents. Best case is Randle stays well/healthy but needs 2-3 weeks to test negative so we can see what the neighbor's lawn actually looks like. Randle then returns off the bench and wins 6th man of the Year :)

BMart wrote:Not convinced that Obi will get the start, which would be his first.

It appears thibs is listening to his analytics team. That alone will force thibs to start Obi just like it forced thibs to drop Kemba.

I think the measuring stick for these next 3 games is not wins or losses. But the chemistry in the 1st unit. It doesn’t matter who we play, the starting unit with Randle has been atrocious and sometimes embarrassing. Let’s see how we start with Randle out, as a team. Let’s see if Obi impacts the game more with more playing time.

I doubt RJ plays the 4 but I can see him doing it with no problem, depending on the matchups. Green is 6’7 playing center for GS and dude from Miami Tucker? is 6’6 playing PF. So It’s not about the height, it’s about defensive IQ. But that doesn’t matter right now cause Obi will start.

Thibs could get tricky and don’t want to mess with 2nd unit. But thibs and FO needs to see how Obi handles the starter roll in case they want to pull the trigger on a Randle blockbuster trade.