BRIGGS wrote:Ingram is soft.
We need hardcore players.
We already have a max 4 man.

Who?

KnickDanger wrote:In the grand Knicks (fans, posters, media) tradition -- sell low. If by a miracle these trades happen, they can then hate on the new player(s) and propose trades of them packaged for all stars. Rinse, repeat.

My feeling is we might be selling high. The last two games RJ has looked good grabbing rebounds and attacking the defense at the rim. But that doesn't negate his numbers across the board have crashed back to his rookie levels. More importantly，almost every lineup with him is net negative- meaning he hasn't been able to contribute in other ways. And how high is RJs potential ceiling anyway? Ingram might already be at it or higher. Grimes looks awesome as well； not sure if his value will ever be higher- how many more 27 point games will he have this season?

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Lakers of 2016 = 26-56
Lakers of 2017 = 35-47.
Lakers of 2018 = 37-45.
New Orleans of 2019 = 30-42.
New Orleans of 2020 = 31-41.
New Orleans of 2021 = 13-22.

Fans harp all over Randle's playoff struggles last year but Ingram isn't even GOOD enough to lead his teams to the playoffs (like R.J. and Julius Randle did last year).

Trading our talented youth of potential? For Brandon Ingram? Who's current injured with some type of Achilles injury? Is this a joke?

Have you seen him play on a consistent basis? The kid can play. If we used this type of criteria to claim a player is good or not then 95% of the players in the league would be considered a waste of time. But..... I do agree that Ingram does not make us better if traded for Randle. We would still be in need of other pieces to move the needle. So why would the Knicks do that?
Middle of the season? Also agree that Ingram for R.J makes little sense in terms of fit. It would also deplete the roster as we would have to include many other pieces. The mention of Randle was to oppose the thought that the Pels would not want a major piece included. ie Randle.

Do not see Rose doing anything big. If last year is indicative of his mo, major moves will not be made in the middle of the year. I am hoping that we take on some salary dumps/ draft assets and add good vets that can be the piece that puts our first unit together.

You do consider trading Randle for Ingram because you can almost replicate Randle's production while also filling the SF position, allowing Toppin to play PF, etc... The offense is no longer run through one player and you have as many offensive weapons as before. I do think we would be better with a Randle for Ingram swap.

Nalod wrote:RJ won’t be 22 until August. Boredom is rarely a good way to judge a player.
Young players are inconsistant. He might not be a superstar but a 2 way 20-7-5 guy is still a valuable commodity to build on.
Randle makes 21mil, then 23, 25, 27 and tops at 29. Not even cheap but not Max. He is Middleton type border all star.
Chemistry issues plaugue us this year. Fornier looked great early on then not. Kemba is a mirage.
fans don’t play into any of this but thank goodness thats true. The BiPolar nature of fans are amazing.

Ingram is a great add if your bored.
Randle carried this team last year on his back. My take is Thibs knows that is the teams ceiling but building with Randle has challanges to break thru. Reality of team is tedious to details. Fans see “Change” as “improvement”.

Myles turner record in indy is irrelevant. You consider his skill set with others then project.
Fornier we hae seen do well. And not. Dump him after. Third of season? Or keep looking at how to get it to work. Its not our job to figure it out.

We moved on From Elf becuase we attempted to move thru the ceiling. Kemba as we all agree is a stop gap.
The Grimes and McBride miracle some of you are banking on is not that simple. Some of you are just not understanding what you don’t know. They are young and inexperienced pros. Its not plug and play.

Maybe we undertand the Gleague and NBA are huge gaps apart in talent? Maybe?

Agree with everything in this post. My only further comments about Grimes and Deuce is that even with limited time as rookies, they seem to know their roles, spend energy/effort on D and the NBA game does not look to big for them. We shall see how they progress.