franco12 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

franco12 wrote:we can't mess around and blow our opportunity here to end up high in the draft. I get overcoming adversity, but this should be our Tim Duncan year.

Add one more really good piece and we have a solid foundation to build a core group.

I disagree.

And so does...

HOF Basketball Players:
1983: Clyde Drexler (14th).
1984: John Stockton (16th).
1985: Karl Malone (13th).
1985: Joe Dumars (18th).
1986: Dennis Rodman (27th).
1987: Reggie Miller (11th).
1996: Kobe Bryant (13th).
1996: Steve Nash (15th).
1996: Ben Wallace (Undrafted).

1986: Arvydas Sabonis (24th)-(FIBA HOF).
1986: Draen Petrovic; (60th)-(FIBA HOF).
1989 Vlade Divac (26th)-(FIBA HOF).

Etc. Etc.

2011: Nikola ; (16th).
2012: Khris Middleton (39th).
2014: Zach LaVine: (13th).
2015: Devin Booker (13th).
2017: Donovan Mitchell (13th).
2017: Bam Adebayo (14th overall).

Etc. Etc.

Enough of this tanking losing mentality horse crap.

And Steph Curry was picked 7th and we were left with Jordan Hill.

And yes- the above picks are exactly what we should be hoping for- I am somewhat confident that our FO can find really good talent later in the draft. And that is my point- we cant win 1 extra game just because by golly, and pick 13th and have the player our FO wants go 12th or 11th.

In a perfect world, we end up 8th and that slot wins us #1.

I dont understand how you can look at this roster and think- let;s get to the play offs.

Have we not seen that Randle is not Batman? That RJ is not even Robin?

And yet we want to be the perennial 1st round massacre exit of a play off team? Good enough to scrap it;s way in, but not good enough to do anything but embarrass itself.

And listen, I dont think we;re good enough this year to even get to the play in position.

I'm not telling Thibs to lose games, though down the stretch I might encourage a different roster strategy.

Im telling the FO that you arent as close as you might think, and do not trade for Lillard or anyone like that. If you have a chance to sell a piece for draft picks or youth, do so.

Yes. I want to see this young Knicks squad in the playoffs.

Why?

Because I deeply miss NY basketball of my childhood.

In the 1990s? We were 10-0 @ making the playoffs and made the playoffs every single year throughout the 1990s.

So far here in the 2020s? We're 1-0 @ making the playoffs; and I'd love for this trend to continue 9 more times throughout these 2020s.

I dont understand how you can look at this roster and think- let's tank and not make the playoffs; aren't you tired of ping pong balls and rooting for loses dating back to the 2000s?

13 Feb trade deadline

Also great opportunity for Kemba to continue to show what he has left.

franco12 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

franco12 wrote:we can't mess around and blow our opportunity here to end up high in the draft. I get overcoming adversity, but this should be our Tim Duncan year.

Add one more really good piece and we have a solid foundation to build a core group.

I disagree.

And so does...

HOF Basketball Players:
1983: Clyde Drexler (14th).
1984: John Stockton (16th).
1985: Karl Malone (13th).
1985: Joe Dumars (18th).
1986: Dennis Rodman (27th).
1987: Reggie Miller (11th).
1996: Kobe Bryant (13th).
1996: Steve Nash (15th).
1996: Ben Wallace (Undrafted).

1986: Arvydas Sabonis (24th)-(FIBA HOF).
1986: Dražen Petrović (60th)-(FIBA HOF).
1989 Vlade Divac (26th)-(FIBA HOF).

Etc. Etc.

2011: Nikola Vučević (16th).
2012: Khris Middleton (39th).
2014: Zach LaVine: (13th).
2015: Devin Booker (13th).
2017: Donovan Mitchell (13th).
2017: Bam Adebayo (14th overall).

Etc. Etc.

Enough of this ranking losing mentality horse crap.

And Steph Curry was picked 7th and we were left with Jordan Hill.

And yes- the above picks are exactly what we should be hoping for- I am somewhat confident that our FO can find really good talent later in the draft. And that is my point- we can’t win 1 extra game just because by golly, and pick 13th and have the player our FO wants go 12th or 11th.

In a perfect world, we end up 8th and that slot wins us #1.

I don’t understand how you can look at this roster and think- let’s get to the play offs.

Have we not seen that Randle is not Batman? That RJ is not even Robin?

And yet we want to be the perennial 1st round massacre exit of a play off team? Good enough to scrap it’s way in, but not good enough to do anything but embarrass itself.

And listen, I don’t think we’re good enough this year to even get to the play in position.

I’m not telling Thibs to lose games, though down the stretch I might encourage a different roster strategy.

I’m telling the FO that you aren’t as close as you might think, and do not trade for Lillard or anyone like that. If you have a chance to sell a piece for draft picks or youth, do so.

Excellent post.

NYKMentality wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Blessing in disguise imo. I like Rose but he wasn't making much of a difference this season. This is the perfect opportunity for IQ and Deuce. Excited to see what they can do with the extended role and responsibility.

Also great opportunity for Kemba to continue to show what he has left.

Those were my exact words earlier in the thread. "Blessings in disguise".

Kemba has a chance to now re-enter the rotation, both Deuce McBride and Immanuel Quickley now have a shot @ more PG opportunities and more importantly, Derrick Rose can get back healthy and fresh (for hopefully) come our playoff push.

Rose being out means no convenient excuse for Thibs to bench Walker again despite the fact Walker is way better right now

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Blessing in disguise imo. I like Rose but he wasn't making much of a difference this season. This is the perfect opportunity for IQ and Deuce. Excited to see what they can do with the extended role and responsibility.

Also great opportunity for Kemba to continue to show what he has left.

100% well put

Absolutely 0 value in playing Walker going forward.

Both the Knicks and Kemba have incentive to play well and then trade him if so desired.

How is it zero value? Unless you was against adding Kemba from the start, then I kinda understand. But now he’s a knick, if Kemba gives us the best chance to win, u play him. If Kemba value increases each time he plays, u play him.

If our goal is to make the playoffs and Kemba gives us the best chance, u play him. If the goal for thibs is to tank the season and lose every game, you sit him and play the rookies. But we both know thibs wasn’t hired to tank. We saw this last year. So Kemba is very valuable in a lot of ways.

Tank the season and lose every game.

"Thibs wasn't hired to tank." Not sure what that really means.

The product stinks, and clearly makes last year a fluke season.

Playing the young guys more and more while benching the starters is the only reasonable path to getting out of this terrible mess.

VDesai wrote:It's a major blow. Let's see if Kemba can step up and McBride will play. This is why you don't worry too much about how we are gonna make the rotation work. There was no world where Rose/kemba were gonna stay healthy all year.

none at all

NYKMentality wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Blessing in disguise imo. I like Rose but he wasn't making much of a difference this season. This is the perfect opportunity for IQ and Deuce. Excited to see what they can do with the extended role and responsibility.

Also great opportunity for Kemba to continue to show what he has left.

100% well put

Absolutely 0 value in playing Walker going forward.

Both the Knicks and Kemba have incentive to play well and then trade him if so desired.

How is it zero value? Unless you was against adding Kemba from the start, then I kinda understand. But now he;s a knick, if Kemba gives us the best chance to win, u play him. If Kemba value increases each time he plays, u play him.

If our goal is to make the playoffs and Kemba gives us the best chance, u play him. If the goal for thibs is to tank the season and lose every game, you sit him and play the rookies. But we both know thibs wasnt hired to tank. We saw this last year. So Kemba is very valuable in a lot of ways.

Tank the season and lose every game.

"Thibs wasn't hired to tank." Not sure what that really means.

The product stinks, and clearly makes last year a fluke season.

Playing the young guys more and more while benching the starters is the only reasonable path to getting out of this terrible mess.

Nah. These kids are too hungry to "tank every game".

Last year was a fluke? Funny. Because this time last year the Knicks only had 1 more win than they currently do this year.

What a joke.

No posting until the 82 game season is over buddy.