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Philc1
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12/13/2021  2:53 PM
Oh no
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12/13/2021  3:02 PM
I don't know what's worse. Tanking threads or Trade for Ben Simmons threads.

Wait, tanking threads are better. At least it's not involving built in bonehead drama for max money. Just lose, baby. And tanking is cheap.

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12/13/2021  3:24 PM
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SergioNYK wrote:Zero chance this happens and I'm glad. Simmons sucks and would make us even worse and add more drama and bs.

People forget how good he was, and how fun he was to watch play

Whoa, he might actually be a perfect PG in Thibs system. An oversized one, sure. Breaks down the D, finds open teammates, a menace on defense. Not sure about the mental part of it all tho, is he a head case?

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12/13/2021  3:51 PM
Nalod wrote:Put yourself in Philly’s place and think how can they improve their team.
our yoot really does not move the dial to their being a contender.

From Lakers would Westbrook take them over the top?
Fram Minny, D’angelo is better than anything we can offer them for now.
From SAC, Fox straight up? Sac not going anywhere and Fox with EMbiid and Harris is an upgrade.
Portland? McCollum and other pieces better than EF and pieces.

I’d like a real adult opinon if Simmons can unlock more from Randle? I know we all salty on him these days but thats just fan emotions.
Your likley looking at a 3 way in some fashion if knicks are a part of anything big.
What does Sac need/want that rounds them out? Can Hield and Fox to Philly work, we take simmons and Bagley,
We move to Philly Drose, EF and Obi to Sac, and I guess two first round picks becuase that makes it easy.
I guess Mitch goes too?
NO, don’t see it but we are not natural partners for Philly.
This does not complete us by any stretch but it is interesting and changes things. I want to build WITH Randle and thinking is this roster is not balanced. Not even close.

Just playing here. I don’t expect anything major.

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Drama aside, Simmons is one of the best young players in the game today and, IMO, better than any player we have on our current roster. Anyone saying otherwise has not actually seen him play and only have opinions based off of what has been happening this past year, through the media. I would definitely trade anything we have to get him, with all parties fully aware that this is now a HARD reset and now we will be building around Simmons.

The only pause, and question, I would have is his desire to improve his game and not his status among Hollywood elites.

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12/13/2021  3:57 PM
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:What would Philly want from NY?

Let's say a trade is just between the 2 teams.

Playoff team wanting solid experience, not wanting just salary cap filler and young guys/picks.

Starts with Randle. They need PG off bench play? Add in Rose.

What else would you ask for from NY?

I’m asking for Randle, Rose and 3 first rd picks

Charlottes pick which should convey 2022
Mac’s pick 2023
Knicks pick 2024 1-10 protected

The Knicks should jump on this trade. Hell, I would even give up protections on the picks. Simmons would be a great replacement for Randle. Whatever deficiency in shooting, Ben will make up for with better ballhandling and fewer turnovers. Just keep three long-range snipers with him on the floor at all times: EF, IQ, RJ, Burks, KK.

But not giving up youth that can shoot.

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12/13/2021  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2021  4:41 PM
Please see "Is Randle even eligible to be traded?" thread.

Tank threads on the way btw -- book it.

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12/13/2021  4:57 PM
A front court of Joel Embiid and Julius Randle makes Philly instant title contenders.

No Thnx you!

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12/13/2021  6:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2021  6:25 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Please see "Is Randle even eligible to be traded?" thread.

Tank threads on the way btw -- book it.

Being linked to a player on the market, being under 500, 7-14 over the last 21 and out of the playoff race will cause these type of threads ..

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12/13/2021  7:24 PM
In all this Randle for Simmons swap, folks are forgetting that the Sixers already have a capable PF in Tobias Harris.

Why do they need Randle?

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12/13/2021  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2021  7:37 PM
martin wrote:What would Philly want from NY?

Let's say a trade is just between the 2 teams.

Playoff team wanting solid experience, not wanting just salary cap filler and young guys/picks.

Starts with Randle. They need PG off bench play? Add in Rose.

What else would you ask for from NY?

They won’t want Randle. Randle basically takes away from Embid. You may have to start with Obi and Quickly and some draft capital. Also Kemba and EF would have to be included.

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12/13/2021  7:47 PM
Randle & RJ Barrett must GO .. And should be put on the trade table on Dec 15
Randle is no good without Bullocks complimentary hustle backing him up.
And 3rd pick RJ Barrett very Low B.ball IQ, has never showed a consistent performance to receive more than 20 minute a game!
The Knicks upper brass put Barrett in the starter lineup for 35 minute per game from day one, and Barrett performance been hurting the starter lineup so bad, that PF Randle had to help facilitating the offense (not SG Barrett).
The excuse of Barrett being young doesn't work no more when it's hurting several teammates performance.
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12/13/2021  8:31 PM
Randle kemba and that’s it… no one is offering stars for Simmons that probably would be the best offer on the table . But I don’t see the sizers making a deal with us …
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12/13/2021  8:48 PM
High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......
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12/13/2021  8:51 PM
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

RIP Crushalot😞
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12/13/2021  9:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

Yeah have to agree, after thinking more about trading Randle for Simmons I don’t know if that’s a smart move … but at the same time I don’t want to trade the youth … but again why would Philly make a trade within there division unless it was for Randle..it would give them one of the greatest front courts of all time … and we’d get a 6’10” pg who can’t shoot can’t even shoot from 10 feet out … great defensive player but struggles in the playoffs it wouldn’t be a upgrade for us.

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12/13/2021  11:32 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

Yeah have to agree, after thinking more about trading Randle for Simmons I don’t know if that’s a smart move … but at the same time I don’t want to trade the youth … but again why would Philly make a trade within there division unless it was for Randle..it would give them one of the greatest front courts of all time … and we’d get a 6’10” pg who can’t shoot can’t even shoot from 10 feet out … great defensive player but struggles in the playoffs it wouldn’t be a upgrade for us.

Randle not exactly a proven playoff performer either. Tobias harris got them covered at PF.

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12/14/2021  1:07 AM
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

Yeah have to agree, after thinking more about trading Randle for Simmons I don’t know if that’s a smart move … but at the same time I don’t want to trade the youth … but again why would Philly make a trade within there division unless it was for Randle..it would give them one of the greatest front courts of all time … and we’d get a 6’10” pg who can’t shoot can’t even shoot from 10 feet out … great defensive player but struggles in the playoffs it wouldn’t be a upgrade for us.

Randle not exactly a proven playoff performer either. Tobias harris got them covered at PF.

Harris can play the 3 as well

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12/14/2021  1:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/14/2021  1:46 AM
fitzfarm wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

Yeah have to agree, after thinking more about trading Randle for Simmons I don’t know if that’s a smart move … but at the same time I don’t want to trade the youth … but again why would Philly make a trade within there division unless it was for Randle..it would give them one of the greatest front courts of all time … and we’d get a 6’10” pg who can’t shoot can’t even shoot from 10 feet out … great defensive player but struggles in the playoffs it wouldn’t be a upgrade for us.

Randle not exactly a proven playoff performer either. Tobias harris got them covered at PF.

Harris can play the 3 as well

Yes, I have always thought that Harris is more of a classic scoring SF who is undersized at PF. Randle for Simmons actually makes sense for us, Simmons is 6'11' and can play at the PF position in a 3-guard lineup for us, compensating for his poor shooting. But I would hate to trade our youth for Simmons, and the Sixers will probably find a better deal than Randle.

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12/14/2021  8:18 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
BillTheButcher wrote:High AF don't even know if the numbers work but Randle, Mitch and Knox 3 1st round picks ......

I wouldnt do Julius straight up. Julius is better

Simmons is an all around better basketball player than Randle. Outside of perimeter shooting, there is nothing on the court that Randle does better than Simmons. Simmons is a first team all NBA defender, he has a much better handle, he is 10xs the passer that Julius is (Julius passes to the open man, Simmons passes players open that didn't even know they were open), he is just as good of a rebounder as Julius perhaps better when you consider that he can get it off the board and start the break and get into the open court which he does much better than Julius. He also has better court awareness and understanding of the game. Despite his inability to shoot from the perimeter, he still a 56% EFG%.

2 reasons why I would hesitate to trade for Simmons is his salary and his inability to hit freethrows. With that said, lets not make Simmons out to be Ish Smith. Ben Simons is capable of putting up big numbers...

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12/14/2021  8:22 AM
It's great. People saying to get Simmons and watch him improve on his game. Which he's refused to do for the last 4 years. And directly because of which stance he now doesn't feel like playing.

Yes, this is exactly the type of player we need to be a better franchise. Forget the media. Forget the fact he's a maxed out player not playing because it's more conducive to his personality to sulk.

Does anyone remember watching him run away from the ball in the playoffs? Anyone? Anyone? Tell me how you want to sign up for that.

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